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park worship revival

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
park worship revival
What is "park worship", does one mean "Garden of Gethsemane", please, where Yeshua fervently prayed to "G-d/the father", right??
One needs not to worship and or pray to Jesus-god, instead feel free to worship and pray to One G-d whom Yeshua used to remember as "G-d/the father", right, please?
Jesus is consubstantial with the father, right?
paarsurrey said:
Did (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ever knew this word and spoke it from his mouth, ever, or it is yet another deception/trick of the Paulines and or a " Pious Fraud " of the Church done much later in the name of (Jesus). please, right?
If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

Regards
___________
" consubstantial (adj.)
"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity, from Church Latin consubstantialis "of like essence, nature, or substance," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + substantia "being, essence, material" (see substance). In general use from 1570s. Related: Consubstantially; consubstantiality; consubstantialism.
also from late 14c."
www.etymonline.com

consubstantial | Etymology of consubstantial by etymonline

"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity,… See origin and meaning of consubstantial.
www.etymonline.com
"If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?"

None of the quotes provided vide :
"The Biblical Bases of the Doctrine of the Trinity : An Outline Study
By Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Apologetics Home - Apologetics.com"
repeat, none of the quotes , is genuinely spoken by him (Jesus), it is yet another Pious Fraud of the Paulines to make them look like as if he (Jesus) spoke them, right, please?

Regards
 
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park worship revival


paarsurrey said:
Did (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ever knew this word and spoke it from his mouth, ever, or it is yet another deception/trick of the Paulines and or a " Pious Fraud " of the Church done much later in the name of (Jesus). please, right?
If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

Regards
___________
" consubstantial (adj.)
"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity, from Church Latin consubstantialis "of like essence, nature, or substance," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + substantia "being, essence, material" (see substance). In general use from 1570s. Related: Consubstantially; consubstantiality; consubstantialism.
also from late 14c."
www.etymonline.com

consubstantial | Etymology of consubstantial by etymonline

"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity,… See origin and meaning of consubstantial.
www.etymonline.com

"If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?"

None of the quotes provided vide :
"The Biblical Bases of the Doctrine of the Trinity : An Outline Study
By Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Apologetics Home - Apologetics.com"
repeat, none of the quotes , is genuinely spoken by him (Jesus), it is yet another Pious Fraud of the Paulines to make them look like as if he (Jesus) spoke them, right, please?

Regards
They are simply definitions of doctrine. Jesus did not need to use those exact words.
park worship revival


paarsurrey said:
Did (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ever knew this word and spoke it from his mouth, ever, or it is yet another deception/trick of the Paulines and or a " Pious Fraud " of the Church done much later in the name of (Jesus). please, right?
If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

Regards
___________
" consubstantial (adj.)
"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity, from Church Latin consubstantialis "of like essence, nature, or substance," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + substantia "being, essence, material" (see substance). In general use from 1570s. Related: Consubstantially; consubstantiality; consubstantialism.
also from late 14c."
www.etymonline.com

consubstantial | Etymology of consubstantial by etymonline

"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity,… See origin and meaning of consubstantial.
www.etymonline.com

"If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?"

None of the quotes provided vide :
"The Biblical Bases of the Doctrine of the Trinity : An Outline Study
By Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Apologetics Home - Apologetics.com"
repeat, none of the quotes , is genuinely spoken by him (Jesus), it is yet another Pious Fraud of the Paulines to make them look like as if he (Jesus) spoke them, right, please?

Regards
What church and religion do you belong to?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
park worship revival
Did (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ever knew this word and spoke it from his mouth, ever, or it is yet another deception/trick of the Paulines and or a " Pious Fraud " of the Church done much later in the name of (Jesus). please, right?
If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

Regards
___________
" consubstantial (adj.)
"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity, from Church Latin consubstantialis "of like essence, nature, or substance," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + substantia "being, essence, material" (see substance). In general use from 1570s. Related: Consubstantially; consubstantiality; consubstantialism.
also from late 14c."
www.etymonline.com

consubstantial | Etymology of consubstantial by etymonline

"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity,… See origin and meaning of consubstantial.
www.etymonline.com

"If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?"

None of the quotes provided vide :
"The Biblical Bases of the Doctrine of the Trinity : An Outline Study
By Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Apologetics Home - Apologetics.com"
repeat, none of the quotes , is genuinely spoken by him (Jesus), it is yet another Pious Fraud of the Paulines to make them look like as if he (Jesus) spoke them, right, please?
They are simply definitions of doctrine. Jesus did not need to use those exact words.
park worship revival


paarsurrey said:
Did (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ever knew this word and spoke it from his mouth, ever, or it is yet another deception/trick of the Paulines and or a " Pious Fraud " of the Church done much later in the name of (Jesus). please, right?
If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

Regards
___________
" consubstantial (adj.)
"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity, from Church Latin consubstantialis "of like essence, nature, or substance," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + substantia "being, essence, material" (see substance). In general use from 1570s. Related: Consubstantially; consubstantiality; consubstantialism.
also from late 14c."
www.etymonline.com

consubstantial | Etymology of consubstantial by etymonline

"having the same substance or essence," late 14c., a term in the theology of the Trinity,… See origin and meaning of consubstantial.
www.etymonline.com

"If he (Jesus) ever spoke this word from his mouth then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?"

None of the quotes provided vide :
"The Biblical Bases of the Doctrine of the Trinity : An Outline Study
By Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Apologetics Home - Apologetics.com"
repeat, none of the quotes , is genuinely spoken by him (Jesus), it is yet another Pious Fraud of the Paulines to make them look like as if he (Jesus) spoke them, right, please?
What church and religion do you belong to?
I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim, right, please?

Regards
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member

From your PDF:

For example, many passages of the Bible state explicitly that God is omniscient, that is, that he knows all things, including the thoughts of men and all future events (1 Sam. 16:7; 1 Chron. 28:9, 17; Job 37:16; Psa. 139:1-4; Isa. 41:22-23; 42:9; 44:7; Jer. 17:10a). These texts must govern our understanding of passages which might seem to imply, but which do not assert, that God did not know something (e.g., Gen. 3:9-13; 4:9; 18:9, 20-21).

This form of exegesis places doctrine above interpretation of the text, which his fine if you are a religionist but doesn't work if you care about the truth.

Some texts cannot be interpreted as being consistent with omniscience, for example:

And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:35
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Nothin wrong with spreading the good news. Why do you allow people you can’t stand get you worked up?
Would you be happy with me preaching atheism to your congregation? Telling them the benefits of not going to church, not having to waste time praying, not feeling guilty about sex, not feeling a need to convert others.
I don't want you preaching to me; I've heard it all before and grown out of it.
 
From your PDF:



This form of exegesis places doctrine above interpretation of the text, which his fine if you are a religionist but doesn't work if you care about the truth.

Some texts cannot be interpreted as being consistent with omniscience, for example:

And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:35
Jeremiah 32:35, ” . . . nor had it entered My mind that they should do this . . . “
by Matt Slick | Dec 9, 2008 | Minor Groups & Issues, Open Theism

Jeremiah 32:35 is recounting of an earlier time of Judah’s sinfulness. Both Israel and Judah had provoked God due to their sin of idolatry (Jer. 7:30-32; 19:5-6) and had refused the correction of God. Therefore, God delivered them into judgment (Jer. 32:36-41). It is was verse 35 that God said, “nor had it entered My mind.” Let’s take a look.

“And they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-Hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I had not commanded them nor had it entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin,” (Jeremiah 32:35 ).

Is the Lord actually saying that He did not think of something? Even in open theism, God knows all things actual as well as potential. That means God can know all things in the present tense, as well as all the possibilities of things that could exist. Certainly, God who knew the past sins of Israel would have thought about them doing such sin – as horrible as it was. So, it doesn’t make sense to interpret this as God admitting that He had never thought of something.

Furthermore, the NASB,1NIV, KJV, NKJV, RSV, 1901 ASV, all translate this as “and it did not come into My mind.” What is interesting is that the LXX2uses the Greek word kardia, “heart,” instead of the Greek word for mind. Since we can conclude that God can contemplate all potential forms of rebellion, we can also conclude that God is addressing the issue of human moral behavior instead of expressing ignorance since that is what God is talking about. In other words, their sin did not enter the intention of God’s heart in His plans for Judah.

 
Jeremiah 32:35
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
The answer of the Lord. - Behold, I am Jahveh, the God of all flesh; is there anything impossible to me? Jeremiah 32:28. Therefore, thus saith Jahveh: Behold, I give this city into the hand of the Chaldeans, and into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar, the king of Babylon, that he may take it. Jeremiah 32:29. The Chaldeans that fight against this city shall come, and shall set fire to this city, and burn it and the houses on whose roofs you have burned incense to Baal and poured out libations to other gods, to provoke me. Jeremiah 32:30. For the children of Israel and the children of Judah have done only what is evil in mine eyes from their youth; for the children of Israel have only provoked me with the work of their hands, saith Jahveh. Jeremiah 32:31. For this city has been to me a burden upon mine anger and upon my wrath from the day that it was built till this day, that I might remove it from before my face;] Jeremiah 32:32. Because of all the wickedness of the children of Israel and the children of Judah, which they have done, to provoke me-they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Jeremiah 32:33. They turned to me the back and not the face; and though they were constantly being taught, they would not hear so as to receive instruction. Jeremiah 32:34. And they placed their abominations in the house which is called by my name, in order to defile it; Jeremiah 32:35. And built high places to Baal in the valley of Ben-hinnom, to devote their sons and their daughters of Moloch-which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they would do such abomination-that they might lead Judah to sin. Jeremiah 32:36. And now, therefore, thus saith Jahveh, the God of Israel, concerning this city, of which ye say, 'It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon, through the sword, famine, and pestilence:' Jeremiah 32:37. Behold, I shall gather them out of all lands whither I have driven them in my wrath, and in mine anger, and in great rage, and shall bring them back to this place, and make them dwell safely. Jeremiah 32:38. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. Jeremiah 32:39. And I will give them one heart and one way, to fear me always, for good to them and to their children after them. Jeremiah 32:40. And I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I shall not turn aside form doing them good; and I will put my fear in their heart, that they may not depart from me. Jeremiah 32:41. And I shall rejoice over them, to do them good, and shall plant them in this land, in truth, with my whole heart and my whole soul. Jeremiah 32:42. For thus saith Jahveh: 'Just as I have brought all this great evil on this people, so shall I bring on them all the good of which I speak regarding them.' Jeremiah 32:43. And fields shall be bought in this land, of which ye say, It is a desolation, without man or beast, and it is given into the hand of the Chaldeans. Jeremiah 32:44. They shall buy fields for money, and write it in the letter, and seal it up, and take witnesses, in the land of Benjamin, and in the places round Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the hill-country, and in the cities of the plain, and in the cities of the south; for I shall turn again their captivity, saith Jahveh."
The Lord replies to the three points touched on in the prayer of the prophet. First, in Jeremiah 32:27, He emphatically confirms the acknowledgment that to Him, as Creator of heaven and earth, nothing is impossible (Jeremiah 32:17), and at the same time points out Himself as the God of all flesh, i.e., the God on whom depend the life and death of all men. This description of God is copied from Numbers 16:22; Numbers 27:16, where Jahveh is called "the God of the spirits of all flesh." "All flesh" is the name given to humanity, as being frail and perishing. - Then God reaffirms that Jerusalem will be given into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar, and be burned by the Chaldeans (Jeremiah 32:28.), because Israel and Judah have always roused His wrath by their idolatry and rebellion against His commands (Jeremiah 32:30-35). The substance of these verses has been often given before. On והצּיתוּ cf. Jeremiah 21:10; Jeremiah 37:8; on אשׁר cf. Jeremiah 19:13 with Jeremiah 7:9, Jeremiah 7:18. The mention of the children of Israel in connection with the children of Judah is not to be understood as if the destruction of Jerusalem was partly owing to the former; but it is here made, to signify that Judah can expect no better fate than the Israelites, whose kingdom has been destroyed long before, and who have for a long time now been driven into exile. היוּ, "they were only doing," i.e., doing nothing else than what is displeasing to the Lord. In Jeremiah 32:30 "the children of Israel" is a designation of the whole covenant people. The whole sentence has reference to Deuteronomy 31:29. "The work of their hands" is not the idols, but signifies the whole conduct and actions of the people. Jeremiah 32:31. The difficult construction היתה־לּי...על־אפּי is most easily explained from the employment of היה על with reference to the superincumbency of a duty or burden lying on one. "This city became to me a burden on my wrath," an object which lay upon my wrath, called it forth. No other explanation can be vindicated. The passages Jeremiah 52:3 and 2 Kings 24:3, 2 Kings 24:20, are of a different character, and the meaning juxta, secundum for על, after 2 Kings 6:14 (Hitzig), is quite unsuitable. The words, "from the day when it was built," are not to be referred to the earliest founding of Jerusalem, but to that time when the Israelites first built it; and even in reference to this, they are not to be pressed, but to be viewed as a rhetorically strong expression for, "from its earliest times." Even so early as David's time, opposition against Jahveh showed itself in the conspiracy of Absalom; and towards the end of Solomon's reign, idolatry had been introduced into Jerusalem, 1 Kings 11:5. After the words "to remove it from before my face," there follows once more, in Jeremiah 32:32, the reason of the rejection; cf. Jeremiah 7:12; Jeremiah 11:17, and for enumeration of the several classes of the population, Jeremiah 2:26; Jeremiah 17:25. The sins are once more specified, Jeremiah 32:33-35; in Jeremiah 32:33, as a stiff-necked departure from God, and in Jeremiah 32:34. the mention of the greatest abomination of idolatry, the setting up of idols in the temple, and of the worship of Moloch. With 33a cf. Jeremiah 2:27. The inf. abs. ולמּד stands with special emphasis instead of the finite tense: though they were taught from early morn, yet they were inattentive still. On this point cf. Jeremiah 2:13, Jeremiah 2:25; Jeremiah 25:3-4. On לקחת מוּסר cf. Jeremiah 17:23; Jeremiah 7:28. Jeremiah 32:34, Jeremiah 32:35 are almost identical with Jeremiah 7:30-31. לעשׂות וגו does not belong to the relative clause אשׁר לא וגו' (Nהgelsbach), but is parallel to להעביר וגו', continuing the main clause: "that they should commit these abominations, and thereby cause Judah to sin," i.e., bring them into sin and guilt. החטי with א dropped; see Jeremiah 19:15. - After setting forth the sin for which Judah had drawn on herself the judgment through the Chaldeans, the Lord proclaims, Jeremiah 32:36., the deliverance of the people from exile, and their restoration; thus He answers the question which had been put to Him, Jeremiah 32:25. ועתּה, "but now," marks what follows as the antithesis to what precedes. "Therefore, thus saith Jahveh," in Jeremiah 32:36, corresponds to the same words in Jeremiah 32:28. Because nothing is impossible to the Lord, He shall, as God of Israel, gather again those who have been scattered through every land, and bring them back into their own country. "To this city," - namely, of which ye speak. The suffix of מקבּצם refers to העיר, whose inhabitants are meant. Jerusalem, as the capital, represents the whole kingdom. "The dispersed" are thus, in general, the inhabitants of Judah. Hence, too, from the nature of the case, "this place" is the kingdom of Judah. On this point cf. Ezekiel 36:11, Ezekiel 36:33; Hosea 11:11.
 
From your PDF:



This form of exegesis places doctrine above interpretation of the text, which his fine if you are a religionist but doesn't work if you care about the truth.

Some texts cannot be interpreted as being consistent with omniscience, for example:

And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:35
Interesting to think about thanks friend
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are some who do not know our Lord yet. Please Pray for them
Don't. I spent the first 15 years of my life deeply devouted to Christ, and it served only to poison me.
I have no desire, will or want to go back.
Only God knows if there is going to be a revival in the local school districts.
The way things are going Christianity will continue to decline in America. And thank the gods. It can't come soon enough that we are socially free from the influence of an ancient book that permits slavery and rape amd demands death for things that aren't even a crime.
when being approached just hold up your hand in the stop position. I have approach others who said no thanks. I gave them this blessing May God give you a good family, prosperity, long life, good health, wisdom and may that virus die. Have a great day.
Some came back when no one else was around to ask questions.
It's better to just mind your own business and let people go about their way.
Plus you never know when you come across a Lioness who is filled with the Beast and knows the Bible better than you.
 
Would you be happy with me preaching atheism to your congregation? Telling them the benefits of not going to church, not having to waste time praying, not feeling guilty about sex, not feeling a need to convert others.
I don't want you preaching to me; I've heard it all before and grown out of it.
We are to feel guilty about sex????
 
Don't. I spent the first 15 years of my life deeply devouted to Christ, and it served only to poison me.
I have no desire, will or want to go back.

The way things are going Christianity will continue to decline in America. And thank the gods. It can't come soon enough that we are socially free from the influence of an ancient book that permits slavery and rape amd demands death for things that aren't even a crime.

It's better to just mind your own business and let people go about their way.
Plus you never know when you come across a Lioness who is filled with the Beast and knows the Bible better than you.
Simple solution, you do not need to come to our park. lol smile
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
As of Monday, over 1,000 came to Jesus. Sunday Night, my wife and me, We went to a free outdoor concert at a local high school. Some of the Football Players and Cheerleaders recognized me. so, they ask me to come onto the field with them. I was able to explain the Gospel of our Lord and Savior to them. Most who were not born again 57 gave their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior. There are some who do not know our Lord yet. Please Pray for them. Only God knows if there is going to be a revival in the local school districts.
The other day someone "spreading the good news" stopped me in the streets while shopping.
I trolled him for about half an hour. Then the wife was done with fitting a bazillion pieces of clothing she wasn't ever going to buy anyway.

I was pleased that I managed to waste 30 minutes of his time.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Don't. I spent the first 15 years of my life deeply devouted to Christ, and it served only to poison me.
I have no desire, will or want to go back.

Truer words have never been spoken.

The way things are going Christianity will continue to decline in America. And thank the gods. It can't come soon enough that we are socially free from the influence of an ancient book that permits slavery and rape and demands death for things that aren't even a crime.

Well said, in my opinion.

It's better to just mind your own business and let people go about their way.

As a former Christian, evangelist, and street preacher, I'd say that this is unlikely because, in my experience, it's considered a personal challenge to evangelicals when a non-Christian such as yourself rejects their preachy message. It's likely to encourage them to continue, and then they will cry persecution if you continue to confront them about their unsolicited preaching and proselytizing. In my experience, not many will take no for an answer.

Plus you never know when you come across a Lioness who is filled with the Beast and knows the Bible better than you.

One advantage I have as a former evangelist and street preacher is that I can counteract the Christians who either try to proselytize and preach at me or to others publicly. I'm well versed in the Bible considering my background as an evangelist and street preacher. Of course, I don't heckle them, but I will ask them specific questions that will lead into a more in-depth discussion of the Bible and Christian theology. To be honest, it amazes me how many of these street preaching Christians don't have a comprehensive understanding of either one. Like the Jehovah's Witnesses I've met , they are limited to their church doctrinal beliefs and either their personal interpretation of the Bible or their churches' preferred one. It doesn't take long for me to see that this is true.
 
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