And taking another life fixes that how? Morally? Ethically?
Far better to rot in prison.
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Parkland, Nikolas Cruz, and the Death Penalty
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And taking another life fixes that how? Morally? Ethically?
Far better to rot in prison.
like putting an animal in an undersized cage having a miserable life,in the UK the prisons have to section off people like this murderer,they are called “nonces”,a term referring to rapists paedophiles and child killers,a noose short drop and it’s over would give justice.
I will never accept the death penalty. If killing is wrong, it is wrong of the state to kill. If you want to play with words and try to differentiate "killing" from "murder," or to try to make the case that capital punishment is necessary to "protect society," then I put it to you thus: when you have a perpetrator strapped to a table, or in an electric chair, or tied to a stake in front of a firing squad, or standing bound on a scaffold -- in all of those situations, totally unable to prevent what is about to happen to him/her next -- that person is not a threat to society, and your argument of protection is specious.
I will further argue that even, as in this case, the perpetrator has "confessed his/her guilt," that there is still a reasonable possibility for error. It is not difficult to find (I know of several) cases where confessions of guilt have actually been false, obtained for reasons that are sometimes difficult to understand, but are nevertheless real.
I am implacably opposed to the death penalty. And if someone murdered my beloved, even through my grief, I would remain so.
I will further argue that even, as in this case, the perpetrator has "confessed his/her guilt," that there is still a reasonable possibility for error. It is not difficult to find (I know of several) cases where confessions of guilt have actually been false, obtained for reasons that are sometimes difficult to understand, but are nevertheless real.
I am implacably opposed to the death penalty. And if someone murdered my beloved, even through my grief, I would remain so.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Supposedly cheaper than the death penalty. People stay on death row for decades, and have lots of appeals, etc.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I guess the supporters take an "eye for an eye" approach, even though Jesus refuted it.
I think letting them rot in prison is more just (longer sentence).
I'm not sure I can get behind a life for a life. (I've softened with age,).
But I understand this is a touchy subject for many.
I've always found that difficult to understand myself.
It is and not an easy one,who is going to take that life,I have thought about it and the best I’ve really come up with is to provide the means to do it themselves.
I wonder if that is true. So, for example: The Death Penalty and the Myth of Closure. Note that DPIC is clearly a biased source. But being biased is not the same as being wrong, and I'm uncomfortable with the presumption of closure. There may well be a temporary catharsis, but when it passes I suspect that it leaves in its wake the same emptiness and anger.
At the same time this lasting emptiness and anger may be better than the persistent realization that the murderer of one's family member is still being cared for in prison.
Perhaps this "better" outcome is deserved.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a valid point.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'll agree if our prisoners are sent to the Russian gulags.
I agree,it will never heal the grief of losing loved ones in such a horrific crime but a deserved end for the premeditated murderer is.
Not like our prisons are a walk in the park either.
I suspect you're right that life will give the perp more suffering.
I'm actually not entirely sure that you agree.
Imagine the same premeditation and the same senseless murder, but one in which the victim has no living relatives. If there is no one seeking closure, is the death penalty "deserved"?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I agree with this. The death penalty is one I tend to fence-sit on (and boy do folks hate fence-sitters!). I tend towards the idea that the death penalty is not likely to actually fix anything.
I think so,nobody complained much when an operation was sent to Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden,he was a premeditated murderer too.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
To be fair, those who support the death penalty often raise the same issue, asking why we as taxpayers are supporting the life of a murderer.
Like it or not, there is a community burden either way. If we want to get serious about preventing crime, I think it's worth looking into supporting healthy communities through welfare programs, education, healthcare, and other supports.
That only happens to basketball players.
He was also a threat.
In any event, you've now admitted that your support of the death penalty has nothing to do with "closure," so we cal lay that argument to rest in your case.