Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

[Shadow Wolf]

That is because Chicago can't prevent people from bringing in guns from places where it is easy to get them. A national ban on guns and many decades of collecting guns will be needed. It won't happen. If you had a perfect lawn but all the neighborhood dogs come and poop on it, what culd you do? Stay up all night and protect the grass? That's not practical. You could put a fence up but that's expensive. Sometimes we have to accept that this is the world we created. And for you true believers, it's the world your God created.

Sounds very defeatist and playing along with the mentality of that expression ridiculing America for saying nothing can be done while being a county that has taken no steps to prevent it and being the only developed nation where gun murders and attacks happen almost daily.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What evidence you are talking about "Skeptic" "Thinker"?

Evidence - NASA Science

Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...

climate.nasa.gov

Why did you put my name in quotes like that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah, you can stop eating warm food...

Sorry, what? Is that an answer to my question?

I had a warm lunch just moments ago.

There is no where in the Bible words "it is ok to beat slaves". It is just your interpretation. And you could as well claim, Bible tells "it is ok to beat people". Why do you need lies?

I just gave you the words. You chose to deny they are there, then accuse me of lying? LOL

.Not much I can do about someone who refuses to see what's right there. Hmm just like above.

 

[fantome profane]

There is no rule against beating people commonly

??????

 

[Lekatt]

The teachings of Jesus may seem weak to those who fake their toughness. Bragging about how they would clean up our country. Law and order blah, blah, blah.

It takes a really strong person to follow those teachings. To walk away from insults and help those that will never appreciate it. But the teachings are far deeper than one suspects. They take you into a world of love and compassion that only the very strong can enter.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I think socialists dismiss the words of Jesus as much and probably are the greediest people on earth, because they think other people should give them everything for nothing. However, I don't think greediness or selfishness goes by party lines. And in my opinion there are many Republicans that live by what Jesus taught and I don't think there are many "Democrats" who do the same. Many things "Democrats" support are against love your neighbor and this:

the laborer is worthy of his hire.
Luke 10:7

The principal of socialism and what make it tick is that everyone depends on each other. In good times they all contribute to the pot and in bad times the. Pot is there to help support them. It is based on self help and generosity. It is largely a form of cooperative insurance.
Those that only scrounge are not socialist. It is far more difficult for a poor person to contribute a tithe than it is for the rich.
Jesus exampled this time and time again.
Right wingers only see what others receive and the cost to them, they never see the equity of the whole system and the protection it affords everyone.
To be a net contributor in a life time, is a an indication of the privilege of good fortune, not a burden.
Even the hardest and self supporting worker, does not control his own life's fortune, any moment he can be struck down and become dependant on others.

 

[1213]

The principal of socialism and what make it tick is that everyone depends on each other. In good times they all contribute to the pot and in bad times the. Pot is there to help support them.

I don't think that is really true. Generous people help others, because they care of others. It is not socialism, because not socialist people can also do so.

Right wingers only see what others receive and the cost to them, they never see the equity of the whole system and the protection it affords everyone.

And left wingers see only how others must give them money. I don't think the socialist systems that exist gives really protection for anyone, at least not anymore than what people could have without socialists robbing people.

 

[1213]

??????

Is there scripture that gives punishment for beating someone?

 

[1213]

Why did you put my name in quotes like that?

Because it does not seem to be true.

How did NASA measure temperatures 800000 years ago? Why do you believe that?

 

[1213]

The Bible doesn't allow you to just beat anyone.

Please tell why do you think so?

 

[1213]

It also teaches that the ends justify the means if you believe God allows your actions.

I think that is socialist policy, not Biblical teaching.

That is because Chicago can't prevent people from bringing in guns from places where it is easy to get them...

How do you explain there is less murders in places that don't have as strict rules, that have more guns?

How about the wealthy corporarions pay higher wages?

You don't understand that price of a product or service depends on the wage? If the wage goes higher, also the price must go higher, or the company goes broke.

You insist climate change is a hoax and then advocate for the environment? ...

I think climate has always changed and will change as long as earth exists in current form. People can't stop it. The idea, that carbon dioxide that humans cause, is the reason for changing climate is a hoax to make people pay more, and renounce their right and give more power to the leaders.

Carbon dioxide is not a real problem. And if we would like to keep it on certain level, we should just not start forest fires like some people do all over the world, apparently to scare people to submit to the evil climate change tyranny.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. And it is not a problem, unless we kill all plants. It as everything in nature forms a cycle. If there is more CO2, plants go faster, people get more food and all material goes around. If we brake the system and for example burn all forests, then we can have a problem, because then plants don't use CO2 and produce O2, which is essential for all life on earth. So, there are real ways to destroy the system, which is why I think it is good to take care of nature. I think it should be done reasonable, and not fight against CO2 like Don Quixote.

One example of not reasonable way is to excavate earth in very damaging way to get material for electric cars, when we could well use the existing cars that don't request as drastic measures. But, obviously even that can be recovered, however, I think it is not wise to unnecessarily cause damage to earth.

And, there are real environmental problems. For example poisons to nature that can kill life. Such things should be avoided, because they can disturb harmfully the balance of nature, unlike CO2, which is essential for plants to grow.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Please tell why do you think so?

I've read it. I don't think you have because you seem oblivious to its nasties.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I think that is socialist policy, not Biblical teaching.

How do you explain there is less murders in places that don't have as strict rules, that have more guns?

You don't understand that price of a product or service depends on the wage? If the wage goes higher, also the price must go higher, or the company goes broke.

I think climate has always changed and will change as long as earth exists in current form. People can't stop it. The idea, that carbon dioxide that humans cause, is the reason for changing climate is a hoax to make people pay more, and renounce their right and give more power to the leaders.

Carbon dioxide is not a real problem. And if we would like to keep it on certain level, we should just not start forest fires like some people do all over the world, apparently to scare people to submit to the evil climate change tyranny.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. And it is not a problem, unless we kill all plants. It as everything in nature forms a cycle. If there is more CO2, plants go faster, people get more food and all material goes around. If we brake the system and for example burn all forests, then we can have a problem, because then plants don't use CO2 and produce O2, which is essential for all life on earth. So, there are real ways to destroy the system, which is why I think it is good to take care of nature. I think it should be done reasonable, and not fight against CO2 like Don Quixote.

One example of not reasonable way is to excavate earth in very damaging way to get material for electric cars, when we could well use the existing cars that don't request as drastic measures. But, obviously even that can be recovered, however, I think it is not wise to unnecessarily cause damage to earth.

And, there are real environmental problems. For example poisons to nature that can kill life. Such things should be avoided, because they can disturb harmfully the balance of nature, unlike CO2, which is essential for plants to grow.

There are many like you who neither want to understand science, nor the way things really work.
It seems to be a badge of honour among right wing conservatives.

You clearly have no idea how socialism works in a democratic mixed economy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. And it is not a problem, unless we kill all plants. It as everything in nature forms a cycle. If there is more CO2, plants go faster, people get more food and all material goes around. If we brake the system and for example burn all forests, then we can have a problem, because then plants don't use CO2 and produce O2, which is essential for all life on earth. So, there are real ways to destroy the system, which is why I think it is good to take care of nature. I think it should be done reasonable, and not fight against CO2 like Don Quixote.

How about we let the real experts guide or policy? Not a pollutant or problem? Then why does it cause a greenhouse effect? Do you know too much of a needed thing can turn it into something toxic and deadly?

 

[1213]

How about we let the real experts guide or policy? Not a pollutant or problem? Then why does it cause a greenhouse effect? Do you know too much of a needed thing can turn it into something toxic and deadly?

I know that according to scientists, the level of CO2 has been much greater than it is now. At the moment it is in very low level. We are nowhere near toxic level of CO2. But, if some people continue burning forests intentionally like it happens in many places on earth now, it could make situation bad.

I don't believe CO2 acts meaningfully as greenhouse gas, because the amount is very small in atmosphere and not good explanation how would it cause it in greater level than for example O2, which is more common in atmosphere.

 

[1213]

I've read it. I don't think you have because you seem oblivious to its nasties.

In that case, please give a scripture that gives some punishment for beating any person?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I know that according to scientists, the level of CO2 has been much greater than it is now. At the moment it is in very low level. We are nowhere near toxic level of CO2. But, if some people continue burning forests intentionally like it happens in many places on earth now, it could make situation bad.

I don't believe CO2 acts meaningfully as greenhouse gas, because the amount is very small in atmosphere and not good explanation how would it cause it in greater level than for example O2, which is more common in atmosphere.

Just because it's been higher doesn't mean it's not too high. That's like saying "well, my blood was 200/120 but now its 140/90 so that's lower and ok."
And keep in mind, in chemistry things happen at the atomic level and a 1 proton difference or 1 different atom joined differently within a molecule makes the difference between safe and toxic with many substances.
Amd the amount is not very small. We've been pumping carbons en masse intothe atmosphere for a few centuries now.

 

[1213]

...We've been pumping carbons en masse intothe atmosphere for a few centuries now.

Yes, those arsonist who burn forest intentionally have done so. But, the level of CO2 can be much higher than what it is now, without it being a real problem. It seems, it has been chosen as a problem, because it is easy excuse for higher taxation and governments to gain more power.

Anyway, I think it would be good to understand that CO2 is just a very important part of natures cycle. Plants would not grow without it. It is utter lunacy to try to get rid of it. I think people should just take care that there remains balance in nature. If we produce lot of CO2, we should take care there is enough chance for plants to grow and not burn them all, to make people believe governments claims about "climate change".

 

[wellwisher]

This looks like another in a seemingly endless succession of leftist hate-threads directed against political opponents.

It's ironic that people who are so convinced (falsely in my opinion) of their own intellectual superiority endlessly preach to their activist choir and make no attempt whatsoever to reach out and try to convince people who don't already believe as they do. It's just non-stop insults 24-7.

If threads like this are meant as evangelism, then it's p*ss-poor and counter-productive. It just hardens your enemies against you.

If this behavior is meant to express group-solidarity and support, then maybe the complaint in the opening post has some merit. Do you really feel so weak and so threatened by people who think and believe differently than you? What happened to all the pious talk about "inclusivity" and "diversity"?

If the Left is sincere about being closer to the teachings of Jesus, you should be turning the other cheek, instead of always on the attack. How about saying something nice about your political opponents? You should be loving Trump, since he is your worse enemy.

Why do you guys discriminate against males, in general, and white males in particular; white guilt? Do not judge or you will be judged. When Jesus said blessed are the poor, I am sure he was not not taking about impoverishing people with bad economic policies, to create more blessed. He meant those who are in those circumstances should be seen as valuable, and brought upward, with practical skills and gainful employment. They were not to left stuck as a blessing, to the Lefty leadership, via a quid pro quo voter dependency.

What about CNN fake news, where does Jesus say thou shall lie 24/7? Jesus also said, he who shall be great among you shall be your servant. Could you ask servant Biden not to take so many vacations? He should be the hardest working man in Washington not the opposite.

The Democrat Party are more like the Pharisees; legacy swamp, who like to be seen being pious; virtue signaling. They are the hypocrites who like to set the rules, like during COVID, but acted like they were above the law. The Pharisees were underhanded, and could not have a discussion with Jesus, since they were too insecure and needed intrigue to take him out, less his ideas spread.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because it does not seem to be true.

How did NASA measure temperatures 800000 years ago? Why do you believe that?

I "believe" NASA's claims because they back them up with evidence. Because their claims are vetted and peer reviewed. Because they have standards.

You got anything like that?