IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
All people can really do, is give you what science has to say about it, the evidence that has been uncovered. No one can make you trust science.
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Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'
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“You can lead a horse to water…” is an all too common reality in these forums.
It is a claim, not evidence. Or what do you say, how do they know temperature 20000 years ago? What proves them correct about that? What is the observable objective thing that tells it was actually so?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
"Scientists often seek clues to past climates by drilling into glaciers and ice sheets. The extracted ice cylinders, sometimes taken from several kilometers below the surface, show evidence of atmospheric composition, volcanic eruptions, dust storms, even wind patterns. Combined with other paleoclimate records such as tree rings and fossils, ice cores enable scientists to reconstruct past worlds."
What do ice cores reveal about the past?
By preserving evidence of ancient temperatures and greenhouse gases, ice cores show scientists how much our planet has changed.
The link I posted has links in it to the resources and evidence used by NASA.
Here is a link to some of the ice core data NASA used:
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's amazing how easily some people reject scientific claims.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You should have read the links provided to you where your questions were answered.
Why are you pretending that you're interested in any of this? An interested person would have actually read the evidence provided to them. You refuse to do so, apparently.
It's already been proven that there was a conspiracy in court. The heads of two paramilitary groups have already been convicted of seditious conspiracy. The next step is connecting Trump to his soldiers via his consiglieres in front of another jury, which is coming up.
Then you share in his fantasy. The election was not close. Trump lost by 74 electoral votes and over 7,000,000 popular votes:
| Nominee | Joe Biden | Donald Trump | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Electoral vote | 306 | 232 | |
| Popular vote | 81,283,501 | 74,223,975 |
Moreover, it doesn't matter what Trump believed. He received all remedies legally available to him. He has no more recourse than lawsuits and recounts, which he got, and which revealed no election fraud not coming from Trump, meaning that even if the election were stolen, they got away with it and there's nothing he could do about it legally.
The Republicans aren't even American anymore except technically.
No, that's how you tell the difference between a well-orchestrated coup and a clown car coup.
That's not for you to know if you don't study the topic like the people present able to answer you have done. And I assume that you have no interest in doing that or would have already and know the answer. You've chosen a different path, and it includes ignorance of science and an embracing of faith. So be it. Believe whatever you like. It doesn't matter to anybody else.
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Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
When pressed about taxes, Jesus didn’t go out and get a job and help others. He got a coin out of a fish and called it a day.
Sorry, I don't think ice cores can tell what were the temperatures. I don't think they even tell years correctly. But, would be nice to see how they prove their opinion correct."Scientists often seek clues to past climates by drilling into glaciers and ice sheets. The extracted ice cylinders, sometimes taken from several kilometers below the surface, show evidence of atmospheric composition, volcanic eruptions, dust storms, even wind patterns. Combined with other paleoclimate records such as tree rings and fossils, ice cores enable scientists to reconstruct past worlds."
What do ice cores reveal about the past?
By preserving evidence of ancient temperatures and greenhouse gases, ice cores show scientists how much our planet has changed.nsidc.org
The link I posted has links in it to the resources and evidence used by NASA.
Here is a link to some of the ice core data NASA used:
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Really? Why is that? You cannot just say silly tings. You need to be able to support your claims with a testable model.
One thing that you do not seem to understand about the concept of scientific evidence. It puts the burden of proof upon the denier.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You are mistaken. Ice cores do give information about historical temperatures. Warmer years have smaller layers. Tree rings are also a source of information about temperatures in the past.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is also isotopic analysis of the water that gives us an average temperature.
What do ice cores reveal about the past?
By preserving evidence of ancient temperatures and greenhouse gases, ice cores show scientists how much our planet has changed.
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Water molecules, whether frozen, liquid, or gaseous, contain hydrogen and oxygen atoms—H2O. But oxygen comes in multiple varieties, or isotopes.
An oxygen molecule consists of 8 protons, 8 electrons, and anywhere from 8 to 10 neutrons. If there are only 8 neutrons (16O), the oxygen isotope is “light.” If there are 10 neutrons (18O), the oxygen isotope is “heavy.” Water rich in light oxygen evaporates more easily; water rich in heavy oxygen condenses more quickly.
Moisture-rich air rising into the atmosphere or moving toward the polar regions cools and condenses. Water containing heavy oxygen falls out of the atmosphere faster than water containing light oxygen. Once an air mass reaches a high latitude, it contains fewer heavy oxygen isotopes. So, ice cores extracted from the polar regions reveal past temperatures through the ratio of heavy to light oxygen isotopes. The fewer heavy isotopes in a polar ice core, the lower the ancient temperature."
Yes, it is nice to learn and understand, but that's only available to those who pursue knowledge. You've been batting if off.
This has been a discussion about climate, and you're playing the convince me though I'm impossible to convince game. I know that you're a creationist from previous encounters, but creationists don't usually get involved in this dispute. It's usually over biology, not climate science. I wonder what religious belief you're defending? Is the objection that the earth could be 20,000 years old?
What do you suppose is in for you to play that game? If you think it makes you look curious, it does the opposite. It demonstrates your incuriosity when you reject the help offered you out of hand. If you think it implies that evidence and reason are your path to belief, same answer. It underscores your aversion to these things.
You'll notice that when I addressed this earlier with you - when I said that these answers aren't for you to know without effort and open-mindedness on your part - that I also didn't try to tell you that you were wrong or go find you a link or citation - because the outcome after doing that was a foregone conclusion, and we saw it play out. Others tried to help you, but you refused it.
And you'll notice that I haven't disagreed with your scientific misstatements above, because I understand the futility of that and don't care to play Charlie Brown to your Lucy with the football.
So, enjoy your creationist worldview, deny climate science if you feel you need to maintain your faith, or whatever it is that's going on here, because there is no other path for you without a course correction, and you have no interest in that.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I doubt it. He claimed to be there for the sick but never visited the authorities who could have fixed the issues.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
A Monopoly space?
You reminded me of capitonyms - words that change meaning and often pronunciation when you capitalize them:
'I was reading about the history of the Reading Railroad while purchasing shoe polish from a Polish vendor whose job required the patience of Job to perform.'
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
It never ceases to amaze me how unimaginative corporations are.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Jesus bummed off of others. He didn’t have gainful employment.
In this climate case, I think people are fooled to believe they have now caused climate catastrophe and have to pay and give more power for the governments. So, this is not for me religious issue, but about issue of truth and people being oppressed and exploited with lies.
And what is the chance that you have been fooled to believe this because fossil fuel corporations, and industry, don't want to lose profits? What is that about greed, the love for money, being a sin? Yet you can't recognize this sin? And have been fooled by the greedy.
Yet conservative Christians mix their religion, their politics, and their social attitudes, so I'm not convinced you are being honest here. Whether it is you not being honest with yourself, or others, or both, can only be resolved in your own mind. In any event you are aware that the masses are exploited and lied to, but refuse to consider that you willfully are one of these folks yourself.