Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

[It Aint Necessarily So]

In this climate case, I think people are fooled to believe they have now caused climate catastrophe and have to pay and give more power for the governments. So, this is not for me religious issue, but about issue of truth and people being oppressed and exploited with lies.

Are you sure that it's not YOU being fooled and exploited by those whom you trust? Who told you that you have to pay more, and what governmental power are you referring to? You'll be paying more for insurance if you live in a region where climate is already more extreme. And you'll be paying more for gasoline as refineries are blown away. You'll be paying more for food and water as crops fail and rivers run dry from the heat. But these are the costs of climate change, not the costs of mitigating it.

I believe the data and the climate scientists. How am I being exploited? We did put up solar panels and a solar water heater eleven years ago, which paid for themselves after six years. Our power has been free ever since, and our propane purchases have gone from quarterly to annually. Is that what you meant by being exploited and paying more?

You fear government because you have been skillfully trained to do so by people who resent anything that impedes their bottom-line including taxes, government spending on ordinary people, and environmental protections. The evidence that you didn't come to these conclusions yourself is that you can't back up any of what you say or rebut posts like this one. All you bring are unsubstantiated corporatist memes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In this climate case, I think people are fooled to believe they have now caused climate catastrophe and have to pay and give more power for the governments. So, this is not for me religious issue, but about issue of truth and people being oppressed and exploited with lies.

Instead of denying science you should ask how we know what we know. Have you thought of trying that?

 

[1213]

I believe the data and the climate scientists. How am I being exploited?...

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

And I am speaking generally, you could be on government payroll and benefit from its whims. Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules and also make them consume more. Limiting happens for example by what can people use and buy. And forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars... ...essentially this means, we live in fascism, where politicians are bought by big companies to set rules so that people must consume more for to increase the profits of the owners.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

And I am speaking generally, you could be on government payroll and benefit from its whims. Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules and also make them consume more. Limiting happens for example by what can people use and buy. And forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars... ...essentially this means, we live in fascism, where politicians are bought by big companies to set rules so that people must consume more for to increase the profits of the owners.

I doubt if most of them are even scientists. And do you know what a false appeal to authority is? You just made one.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

So, you believe these scientists?

I believe that man is at a climatological tipping point. I also believe that collectively, man doesn't have the wisdom to prevent creating further global warming and disaster lies ahead. Is it important to know that if it's true? It obviously is on a societal level, but how about for the individual? Is it important for you or me to know that? Does it matter if we're wrong? Can there be any harm that comes to us by remaining unknowing as the world cooks? Is there anything that we should be doing or thinking about now as individuals in case that's the future? I think so.

I am speaking generally

That's not helpful by itself. Your generalizations should be backed by some of the specifics from which it was induced.

Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules

Here's a good example. Where are your specifics? You have none, correct - just your generalization?

and also make them consume more

How can government do that? I consume exactly as much as I need and want, and no more. My tastes are simple and my lifestyle modest and well within my means. Nobody can make me consume more. But then again, I'm a critical thinker, which is the defense against passive indoctrination. The ones who want you to consume more are the ones selling, the ones paying for all those commercials that determine the desires of those who let them. This guy gets it:

When I'm driving in my car
When a man come on the radio
He's telling me more and more
About some useless information
Supposed to fire my imagination

When I'm watchin' my TV
And a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But, he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me

forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars

Nobody's forcing you to make those changes. My car is a 2000 model, and I intend to drive it until it doesn't move. Then, I'll buy electric. We switched out our incandescent lights for LEDs everywhere in the house, but not by order. And all of our cooking is electric except for the range and outdoor grill. But that's all by choice. It's profitable for us to make these changes, because our electricity is free thanks to solar panels on the roof, and anything we can cook in an air fryer or electric convection oven, we cook for free.

we live in fascism

I don't. My life couldn't be freer. You live in a different world than I do with a pessimistic worldview. You're a conservative Christian, meaning you're inundated with nihilistic messages on two fronts, and you've believed them, which is why you're here now repeating some of it.

That's unfortunate. It's sunny out here for me in humanism-land. Sure, America's poised to collapse and the world is being cooked alive by greedy, small-minded people, but I've reached the acceptance stage of grief with both of those, and life is good here and now, so why not be happy and grateful for that if one still can be happy?

One of the benefits of having a lot of exposure to popular music and a good memory is that I have lyrics for most occasions. Also from the pen of the poet:

Now he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid and confused
And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill
And all he believes are his eyes
And his eyes, they just tell him lies

 

[anna.]

I don't. My life couldn't be freer. You live in a different world than I do with a pessimistic worldview. You're a conservative Christian, meaning you're inundated with nihilistic messages on two fronts, and you've believed them, which is why you're here now repeating some of it.

I follow Mike Sowdon on substack, and his recently reposted newsletter hits that same mark, so thought you'd appreciate it:

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1. “Everything Is Awful”​

This is Negativity Bias, also called positive-negative asymmetry. It’s the human tendency to pay special attention to potentially threatening things, which is why we can’t stop reading the most distressing news headlines every day - and exactly why the news keeps serving them to us, as I wrote here:​

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Not only are we exhausted from all the depressing news out there, we’re also hooked on it. It seems we can’t stop obsessing over what’s crappy and awful, even if it’s wildly unrepresentative of the amount of crappy, awful things out there.​

Negativity Bias is stitched deep into our minds. Unpick it, and we’ll probably come apart. And hey, a little bit of negativity keeps you from wallowing in the kind of smug, thoughtless Oh-it’ll-be-fine-stop-moaning optimism that makes some people’s shins so incredibly kickable. (Read Brendan Leonard’s post hereon how to manage negativity in a healthy way.)​

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But this bias can also be really, really toxic. It can masquerade as reality so convincingly that it can plunge you into despair about the state of the world and how much everything and everyone sucks, leaving you hyperanxious and traumatised, killing your questions and suffocating your curiosity.​

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How To Avoid Tripping Over Your Own Brain

An Everything Is Amazing encore edition!

everythingisamazing.substack.com

 

[Colt]

MSN

Not surprising considering that the teachings and examples of Christ are antithetical to conservative ideology. If he were to return today, the right would reject him for being "woke" and "socialist".

For years the Left has used violence and intimidation to shove their agenda down the throats of people who "turned the other check". Now that conservative people are fighting back with the same tactics the Left is alarmed! LoL!

 

[Firenze]

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

And I am speaking generally, you could be on government payroll and benefit from its whims. Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules and also make them consume more. Limiting happens for example by what can people use and buy. And forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars... ...essentially this means, we live in fascism, where politicians are bought by big companies to set rules so that people must consume more for to increase the profits of the owners.

This is sadly hilarious. This sounds like the same document from several years ago. When the list of 30,000 'scientists' was fact checked, it turned up such well known 'scientists' as - Sherman Potter, BJ Hunnicutt, Benjamin Franklin Pierce (also known as Hawkeye), and a member of the Spice Girls. What it didn't show were any actual climate scientists - instead being filled with petroleum experts for Big Oil. In short, it was a massive fraud. But once a mind accepts concepts like talking snakes and the moon ceasing to move - it can accept any ridiculous claim at face value. I would be ashamed to have fallen for such an obvious fabrication. But here you are, blindly trusting a document with names you haven't even confirmed. I do note the trend however. First it's 30,000, then it's only 1600. Next it will be 15?....

FACT CHECK: Did 30,000 Scientists Declare Climate Change a Hoax?

More than 30,000 people may have signed a petition challenging the veracity of anthropogenic global warming, but you don’t have to be a climate scientist to sign it.

www.snopes.com

 

[Firenze]

For years the Left has used violence and intimidation to shove their agenda down the throats of people who "turned the other check". Now that conservative people are fighting back with the same tactics the Left is alarmed! LoL!

You mean like those nasty gay and trans children that just want to live without Christian hate and violence? Or those horrible Woke black people pleading not to be shot while unarmed? Or shot while holding their baby? Or shot while laying on the ground with their hands up? Or choked to death over $20?

 

[Colt]

You mean like those nasty gay and trans children that just want to live without Christian hate and violence? Or those horrible Woke black people pleading not to be shot while unarmed? Or shot while holding their baby? Or shot while laying on the ground with their hands up? Or choked to death over $20?

Self-hating trans people suffer largely from not accepting themselves. Blacks mainly have other blacks to fear according to well established statistics. Black males are roughly 7% of the population in America and account for 50+% of all murders----> and they murder other black men! Police are called to interact with violent MEN all the time. Far more white men are killed in violent confrontations with cops but the Leftist media focuses on the black victims, sells more ad time! What's the name of that last white guy killed by caps in America????? It ok, you don't know because it wasn't a 24/7 loop!

 

[Firenze]

Self-hating trans people suffer largely from not accepting themselves. Blacks mainly have other blacks to fear according to well established statistics. Black males are roughly 7% of the population in America and account for 50+% of all murders----> and they murder other black men! Police are called to interact with violent MEN all the time. Far more white men are killed in violent confrontations with cops but the Leftist media focuses on the black victims, sells more ad time! What's the name of that last white guy killed by caps in America????? It ok, you don't know because it wasn't a 24/7 loop!

Trans people do not hate themselves. They hate the fact that people like you ignorantly misrepresent them and demonize them in a way that puts their health and lives in danger.

The fact is that POOR people commit the most crime. In Appalachia it's white Christian trash committing the most crime. Interesting that you take the racist position though. And the last white guy killed by cops had a semi-automatic weapon and was shooting at them. A black man just has to be black.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When I'm driving in my car
When a man come on the radio
He's telling me more and more
About some useless information
Supposed to fire my imagination

When I'm watchin' my TV
And a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But, he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me

Same as we ever are.

 

[Colt]

Trans people do not hate themselves. They hate the fact that people like you ignorantly misrepresent them and demonize them in a way that puts their health and lives in danger.

The fact is that POOR people commit the most crime. In Appalachia it's white Christian trash committing the most crime. Interesting that you take the racist position though. And the last white guy killed by cops had a semi-automatic weapon and was shooting at them. A black man just has to be black.

Last white guys were brothers, Tenn. standoff: suspects dead, hostage and 4 officers injured but it wasn't national news because it didn't fit the false narrative promoted by Leftist media outlets.

 

[Firenze]

Last white guys were brothers, Tenn. standoff: suspects dead, hostage and 4 officers injured but it wasn't national news because it didn't fit the false narrative promoted by Leftist media outlets.

You agree with me. Whites have to be heavily armed and shoot officers. Blacks only have to walk down the street and stick out their tongue.....

 

[metis]

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Maybe read this:
In March 2020, American journalist Seth Hettena wrote an opinion-piece in The New Republic titled "Is Zero Hedge a Russian Trojan Horse?", and provided details on the links between Krassimir Ivandjiiski (the site publisher's Bulgarian father), and Soviet-era activities in propaganda, revealed during litigation initiated by the father against Hettena in the Bulgarian courts.[1] Hettena commented that Zero Hedge has become "a forum for the hateful, conspiracy-driven voices of the angry white men of the alt-right. Racists, anti-Semites, extreme right-wingers, and conspiracy nuts were an underserved audience, and, as it turns out, a profitable one."[1]

In February 2022, intelligence officials from the United States claimed that Zero Hedge has amplified Russian propaganda by publishing articles written by Russian state-run media.[83][84][85][86][87] -- Zero Hedge - Wikipedia

 

[Colt]

You agree with me. Whites have to be heavily armed and shoot officers. Blacks only have to walk down the street and stick out their tongue.....

No, not at all. Thats mythology invented by people who are embarrassed by the amount of violence in Americas black culture. Like, who's killing all the rappers???? White cops? White car salesman? White drug dealers? NO! Black men are killing black rappers because its a part of violent black culture in America!

List of murdered hip hop musicians.

 

[Firenze]

No, not at all. Thats mythology invented by people who are embarrassed by the amount of violence in Americas black culture. Like, who's killing all the rappers???? White cops? White car salesman? White drug dealers? NO! Black men are killing black rappers because its a part of violent black culture in America!

List of murdered hip hop musicians.

Wow. You say 'rappers' like all rappers are Black. Interesting.... You're whining about 65 rappers killed over 36 years. But 3436 blacks were lynched over a 32 year period. But yeah, I can see why you would consider your data more relevant. And I assume it's beyond your abilities to see how a race of people denied basic rights for centuries, lynched, burned, sold, denied equal education, equal employment, would be prone violence. Your white privilege must be quite a comfort. Not many lynching's or castrations in your family tree, are there?

 

[Colt]

Wow. You say 'rappers' like all rappers are Black. Interesting.... You're whining about 65 rappers killed over 36 years. But 3436 blacks were lynched over a 32 year period. But yeah, I can see why you would consider your data more relevant. And I assume it's beyond your abilities to see how a race of people denied basic rights for centuries, lynched, burned, sold, denied equal education, equal employment, would be prone violence. Your white privilege must be quite a comfort. Not many lynching's or castrations in your family tree, are there?

No excuse for the currant black on black violence in this century which leads to fatal force encounters with law enforcement.

Today blacks don’t fear lynching, they are concerned about violence in their own communities.

 

[Viker]

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

And I am speaking generally, you could be on government payroll and benefit from its whims. Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules and also make them consume more. Limiting happens for example by what can people use and buy. And forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars... ...essentially this means, we live in fascism, where politicians are bought by big companies to set rules so that people must consume more for to increase the profits of the owners.

I don't believe zero hedge. I can't find any other source to corroborate exactly what they are trying to convince me of.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So, you believe these scientists?

Over 1,600 Scientists Sign 'No Climate Emergency' Declaration | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

And I am speaking generally, you could be on government payroll and benefit from its whims. Generally speaking, leaders try to limit freedoms of people by climate rules and also make them consume more. Limiting happens for example by what can people use and buy. And forcing to consume happens for example by making rules that you can't use old cheap stuff, instead you must buy new lights, ovens, cars... ...essentially this means, we live in fascism, where politicians are bought by big companies to set rules so that people must consume more for to increase the profits of the owners.

These are not climatologists. they have different areas of expertise. It is next to impossible to find a climatologist who is not alarmed about Climate change. I'm sure if you really dug, you would find one here or there. That doesn't change the fact that the consensus of climatologists is teha climate change is real and influence by human use of fossil fuels.