Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

[IndigoChild5559]

So you take this as an authoritative story? It sounds positively barbaric. It's not a story of justice, but a story of revenge. I can see why Jesus taught there was a better way. There is a better way.

EXACTLY! It is a story of revenge, a massacre for a rape. It serves as a reminder of what the world is like without a justice system that functions on an eye for an eye.

We are obviously not going to agree. I don't want to get involved in a lengthy argument. I cannot support pacifism because I consider it IMMORAL because it disables good so that it cannot fight evil. I'm quite certain that neither of us is going to convince the other one. Be well.

 

[Windwalker]

We are obviously not going to agree. I don't want to get involved in a lengthy argument.

Of course you don't, as you don't have much to support your views with.

I cannot support pacifism because I consider it IMMORAL because it disables good so that it cannot fight evil.

Who's talking about pacifism? I'm not. I believe in the law. I believe in self-defense. I just reject this notion to justice=violent retribution.

I'm quite certain that neither of us is going to convince the other one. Be well.

Well, you created a strawman argument that I believe in pacifism, which I don't, nor have argued for, and then bow out based on that false view. I get it though. You really can't defend your view. Gandhi was not a pacifist either, BTW. Didn't know that, did you? Both Gandhi and Jesus were non-violent resistors, not pacificts. You need to understand the difference, before you cast dispersions as you have.

 

[Unfettered]

Not surprising considering that the teachings and examples of Christ are antithetical to conservative ideology. If he were to return today, the right would reject him for being "woke" and "socialist".

Anyone who supports a political party has sold his soul. Why only pick on so-called Conservatives or Trumpites? In the end, I worry less about those factions than the ones behind child mutilation, infanticide, the sexualizing of children and all other such ghastly affronts to humanity and civilization. At least the conservative types are open and honest in their aggression, which seems to me to be largely hot-air blather. They just want to keep their guns and their property and children (that I can tell). Hardly controversial interests. Seems to me they're feeling backed in to corners, and with cause. That usually provokes a response. Not justifying anything here; just pointing out.

It's the wolves in sheep's clothing I'm most wary of—the folks who claim to be enlightened, and the true comprehenders and guardians of Jesus's teachings, but who appropriate and weaponize them to justify their infecting society with deviancy after deviancy, or to rob of the innocent liberty after liberty, and who hire or incite mobs to intimidate those who see through their mask or who refuse to kowtow to their explosive, petulant demands for society and government to recognize and protect rights that don't exist.

I despise and reject all partisanship, but if you force me to choose, I'll take conservatives and Trump supporters as my neighbors over the other majority alternatives any day of the week. The latter have, are, and will perpetrate far more destruction on society than the former could hope to perpetrate in their most violent fantasies.

Again, though, I'd rather that all political parties (as political entities) whither and die, which would tone down the shouting and violence and utter imbecility in this nation by several factors. Choose freedom, I say. Freedom from the bondage of partisanship and its infectious obsession with power.

 

[1213]

Then you are blind. The quote I gave from that site identified him as "NASA climate scientist James Hansen" If you aren't going to actually read my texts, there is no reason for me to continue replying to you.

I found one in five seconds....

Dr. James E. Hansen - Staff Profiles - Columbia Climate School

Columbia Climate School Staff Directory

people.climate.columbia.edu

But he doesn't seem to have climatologist degree, which I understood was required in this case.

 

[1213]

Is much of Europe like this? They want it so people can be happy, safe and healthy. It's the opposite of selfish actually. They want what is best for the people in general, not themselves individually.

By what I see, people generally want everything good for themselves, but don't care if it is socialized from others. I think socialism is the highest form of selfishness.

 

[Sand Dancer]

By what I see, people generally want everything good for themselves, but don't care if it is socialized from others. I think socialism is the highest form of selfishness.

Again, when you look at the other developed nations, it's done out of care for others. They want the things that make people happy.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But he doesn't seem to have climatologist degree, which I understood was required in this case.

He wrote his Ph.D. thesis on the greenhouse effect on the planet Venus, so yeah, he has the expertise, even if he got it in a round about way. The fact that he ran NASA's climate program is evidence that this expertise is widely recognized.

Here is another one for you. Dr. Michael Mann is a climatologist and geophysicist known for his work on reconstructing past climate variations and the famous "hockey stick" graph. He has been actively involved in raising awareness about climate change.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

By what I see, people generally want everything good for themselves, but don't care if it is socialized from others. I think socialism is the highest form of selfishness.

I can't even figure out what this means. What is "socialized from others"?

Given what I see going on in America, I kinda doubt that. Consider the selfishness in the US and we are not a socialist nation.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

By what I see, people generally want everything good for themselves, but don't care if it is socialized from others. I think socialism is the highest form of selfishness.

Acts 4:32-35 New International Version (NIV)All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.

 

[1213]

Acts 4:32-35 New International Version (NIV)All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.

There is a big difference between wanting to give own things for others and wanting that other people give their things for others. I think the difference between socialism and Christianity is, Christians want to help freely others and don't want to be burden for others, while socialists think others must help them and they them self will do nothing good for others.

 

[1213]

I can't even figure out what this means. What is "socialized from others"?

Stolen from others in the name of socialism.

Given what I see going on in America, I kinda doubt that. Consider the selfishness in the US and we are not a socialist nation.

Given what I see, America is more socialist than not. But, I think more accurate description for all western countries is that they are collectivist oligarchies.

 

[1213]

He wrote his Ph.D. thesis on the greenhouse effect on the planet Venus, so yeah, he has the expertise...

If expertise is enough, then I don't see any reason why the scientists you reject would not be as qualified as he is.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If expertise is enough, then I don't see any reason why the scientists you reject would not be as qualified as he is.

Because they lack expertise in climatology. Having a PhD in i.e. psychology or marine biology does not give a person the expertise to speak on the subject.

BTW, I gave you a second example. No reply?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There is a big difference between wanting to give own things for others and wanting that other people give their things for others. I think the difference between socialism and Christianity is, Christians want to help freely others and don't want to be burden for others, while socialists think others must help them and they them self will do nothing good for others.

You are ignoring the obvious -- that the early Christian community practiced communism.

 

[metis]

You are ignoring the obvious -- that the early Christian community practiced communism.

I prefer to use the word "socialism" for it allows for more flexibility of interpretation.

 

[Unfettered]

You are ignoring the obvious -- that the early Christian community practiced communism.

One might say you're overlooking the obvious—that the early Christian community practiced what they did voluntarily.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

One might say you're overlooking the obvious—that the early Christian community practiced what they did voluntarily.

Why do you think it was voluntary? EVERYONE in the Christian community did it, which means it was an enforced part of being part of the church.

 

[fantome profane]

One might say you're overlooking the obvious—that the early Christian community practiced what they did voluntarily.

How do you explain Ananias and Sapphira?

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 5:1-11 - New International Version

Ananias and Sapphira - Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How do you explain Ananias and Sapphira?

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 5:1-11 - New International Version

Ananias and Sapphira - Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so...

www.biblegateway.com

legend, not fact.

 

[fantome profane]

legend, not fact.

You mean not every word of the Bible is true?


Ok, but it is still interesting that the author decided to tell that story. Whether it is true, partly true, or complete fiction, it still shows us something about the values of early Christianity.