Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

[Yazata]

"Waah! Stop making observations about our embarrassing, hypocritical behavior!"

Sometimes people need to be grabbed by the scruff of their neck and have their faces rubbed in their own ****. It's a valuable teaching moment.

And naturally you assume that you are the one in a position to "teach", the one in a position to denounce the sins of others. I'm not a Christian, but perhaps Jesus might have told you to be less concerned with other people's sins and more attentive to your own,

Luke 18:9-14

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

R

 

[Father Heathen]

Luke 18:9-14

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

R

If you're suggesting an addition to my list in post #15, good job.

If this was supposed to be directed at me, I don't identify as Christian and the bible means nothing to me, so... lol?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe he helped conservatives morally but spent our money a bit liberally.

He did not help conservative morally either. He only helped those with broken morals.

 

[Yazata]

If you're suggesting an addition to my list in post #15, good job.

Haven't you noticed how many of your Bible quotes in post #15 are directed against judging others? About loving them instead?

If this was supposed to be directed at me, I don't identify as Christian and the bible means nothing to me, so... lol?

You started this thread with some intention in mind.

So how do you fail to see that your Bible quotations address what's happening right here right now in this thread? Judging those horrible 'other-people' and failure to approach them with love?

 

[Father Heathen]

Haven't you noticed how many of your Bible quotes in post #15 are directed against judging others? About loving them instead?

You started this thread with some intention in mind.

So how do you fail to see that your Bible quotations address what's happening right here right now in this thread? Judging those horrible 'other-people' and failure to approach them with love?

The topic of this thread is about how conservative christians are straying from Christ due to toxic politics. The article referenced observations made by an evangelical pastor. It's silly to insist that people turn a blind eye to blatant hypocrisy, especially when it certainly wouldn't be reciprocated.

Besides, where were the shrieks decrying rightwing hate-threads against liberals?

And again, I don't deny being a horrible example of a Christian, since I'm not one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't believe Jesus could ever be considered woke or socialist but then He wasn't conservative because the old ways were insufficient. However if one thinks of conservative as retaining that which is good then He qualifies.

I believe MAGAs would denounce his statement that the poor woman gave more than the rich as socialist amd woke. We know they denounce his orders to take care of the poor as evil socialism, as they do his order to render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's. Blessed are the peace makers? He who says to his brother "thou fool" is in danger of hellfire? Judge not and mind your own business? That's all woke rubbish to MAGA hooligans.

 

[F1fan]

There's a reason why liberal and moderate Christianity is declining but conservative Christianity is growing, it's because it offers a toxic and shallow version of the religion that appeals to less sophisticated people. No coincidentally these people tend to support Trump and other morally questionable politicians. Christianity is a product like any other and the customers want what they want. More want a bad product and they are getting it.

 

[Yazata]

I don't believe Jesus could ever be considered woke or socialist but then He wasn't conservative because the old ways were insufficient. However if one thinks of conservative as retaining that which is good then He qualifies.

Jesus was very conservative in one way - everything he said was said in the context of the Jewish culture with which he identified. His sayings are filled with Hebrew scriptural allusions, but he shows very little sign of the Greek/Roman Hellenistic culture that had been hugely influential in the eastern Mediterranean for 300 years by his time. That had to be intentional on his part.

That being said, Jesus seems to have been fairly radical in reinterpreting that Jewish culture in nontraditional ways. He was a radical perhaps, but a radical from within the tradition, not from outside it. That's radicalism of a very conservative sort.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course Jesus' teachings and examples are considered "woke" and "socialist" by conservative standards:

• "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2)
• "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" (Matthew 7:3)
• "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her [an adulterous woman]." (John 8:7)
• "For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:2)
• "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions." (Luke 12:15)
• "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Matthew 6:24)
• "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys." (Luke 12:33)
• "Put your sword back in its place... for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
• "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." (John 13:34)
• "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)
• "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)

Although one of his teachings (being both
the son of God & God himself) is that
sinners deserve to die & go to Hell.
"Progressive" Christians ignore messages
they dislike...but they're still there.

 

[Father Heathen]

Although one of his teachings (being both
the son of God & God himself) is that
sinners deserve to die & go to Hell.
"Progressive" Christians ignore messages
they dislike...but they're still there.

Hell: A “Biblical” Staple The Bible Never Actually Mentions

Hell is not a Biblical concept.

medium.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Hell: A “Biblical” Staple The Bible Never Actually Mentions

Hell is not a Biblical concept.

medium.com

I don't read the Bible. How Christians glean the message
they get from the Bible, I can't address.
But if we consider the common teachings of Christianity,
there is indeed a Hell for sinners & non-believers. Jesus
is the son of God & also God, which makes him the one
teaching & doing this.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't read the Bible. How Christians glean the message
they get from the Bible, I can't address.
But if we consider the common teachings of Christianity,
there is indeed a Hell for sinners & non-believers. Jesus
is the son of God & also God, which makes him the one
teaching & doing this.

Okay.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have a hard time believing this without proof. A video or something. It's just hearsay and this guy (Moore) already has a political axe to grind.

 

[Alien826]

I came across this the other day, and I was surprised and pleased to see a Christian website calling out Trump and his (Christian) followers, for what they are.

3 Reasons Why I Will Not Be Watching The Righteous Gemstones

As believers, shows such as The Righteous Gemstones can give us a chance to present the real gospel and the true beliefs of Christianity rather than allowing individuals to believe in a false Christianity.

www.christianity.com

The Righteous Gemstones is a TV series on HBO. You have to read down a bit to find this ....

Concerning The Righteous Gemstones, the evangelical Christianity they are presenting is very much a Trump-type of evangelical Christianity, which is really not Christianity at all.

Evangelicals, in this sense, have fallen from their knowledge of the scriptures and have replaced their allegiance to the Lord with a man.

In other words, a certain class of evangelical Christians is more willing to support what Trump says instead of what God says. This is a true reality that needs to be addressed more within and outside the church.

Trump is not a savior, nor is he going to make America great. Rather, Trump is a sinful, fallen human just like the rest of us, and he has done many evil things.

It is always surprising to know the massive rally of Christians who stand behind Trump when he doesn't follow the Bible or Jesus' teachings. More likely than not, Trump has selected Christians as his targeted audience with the hopes that he would be re-elected again.

(I hope I haven't quoted more than I should.)

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe MAGAs would denounce his statement that the poor woman gave more than the rich as socialist amd woke. We know they denounce his orders to take care of the poor as evil socialism, as they do his order to render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's. Blessed are the peace makers? He who says to his brother "thou fool" is in danger of hellfire? Judge not and mind your own business? That's all woke rubbish to MAGA hooligans.

Not to mention loving their neighbor as themselves, loving their enemies, praying for their enemies, doing good to those who hate them, turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, not hypocritically judging others, unselfishly giving to others, and treating others the way they'd like to be treated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not to mention loving their neighbor as themselves, loving their enemies, praying for their enemies, doing good to those who hate them, turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, not hypocritically judging others, unselfishly giving to others, and treating others the way they'd like to be treated.

It's MAGA kyrptonite.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe he helped conservatives morally but spent our money a bit liberally.

Trump viciously degrading his political opponents or other people he doesn't like by calling them derogatory names and slandering them, agreeing with Howard Stern that his daughter, Ivanka, is a piece of a**, paying off his porn star and Playboy Bunny mistresses to buy their silence about their extramarital affair with him, being twice divorced and thrice married (to his first wife and then to two of his mistresses), inciting his supporters to 'knock the crap out of' hecklers, and pompously declaring, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters" doesn't exactly persuade his conservative supporters to behave morally. On the contrary, Trump has the polar opposite effect on thousands of his loyal supporters (January 6, 2021).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't read the Bible. How Christians glean the message
they get from the Bible, I can't address.
But if we consider the common teachings of Christianity,
there is indeed a Hell for sinners & non-believers. Jesus
is the son of God & also God, which makes him the one
teaching & doing this.

No, that's a specific view of Trinitarianism. That's commonly been viewed as blasphemous by some because they believe Jehovah the Father is god and he alone is god.
But even among Trinitarians it used to be very commonly believed, with many still believing it, that when we die we die and stay dead until the Day of Resurrection. Many also believe there is no Hell but rather the second death, which is eternal destruction and darkness.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It's MAGA kyrptonite.

I recommend watching a video on YouTube called GOP Jesus. If you watch the video, I'm sure that you'll understand why I suggested it to you.

 

[Jimmy]

MSN

Not surprising considering that the teachings and examples of Christ are antithetical to conservative ideology. If he were to return today, the right would reject him for being "woke" and "socialist".

Return? Isn’t he here?