Pastor Ellis Caught Sexually Harassing Ariana Grande At Aretha Franklin’s Funeral

[Estro Felino]

Not New Zealand breasts

that's for damn sure

 

[Skwim]

It was a little too touchy-feely, but to call this sexual harassment is an exaggeration. I doubt it was even intentional.

The term "harassment" seems to have acquired a whole new meaning. To me it has always carried the condition of repetitiveness.

"Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is behavior that appears to be disturbing or threatening. Sexual harassment refers to persistent and unwanted sexual advances, typically in the workplace, where the consequences of refusing are potentially very disadvantageous to the victim."
source: Wikipedia
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So, in my opinion, to apply "harassment" to a one time incident is wrong, and is climbing onto the "#me too" band wagon of sexual abuse. In fact, it doesn't come close to abuse. As you and Estro Felino have pointed out, saying it's "sexually harassing" is exaggerated. At most I'd call it inappropriate behavior. Want to attach "sexual" to it is a bit of a stretch, but I guess I might go along in certain situations.

As I see it, the problem is that some Americans have purposely become super sensitive to particular behaviors that they only have to smell a wrong to judge it perverse. A new hard-line boundary seems to have been drawn between sexually provocative behavior, which is legal, and any physical contact involving those provocative body parts, which is now being judged actionable. Pat someone on the butt once and you could well be fired. Make a complimentary comment about a woman's breasts and she could have you stretching carpet in the boss's office. Even starring at a woman's short skirt can get one in trouble---it happened to a friend of mine. "Keep your eyes where they belong!"

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[Epic Beard Man]

I just don't want people to believe Italian women are the same as Hispanics.
Italian women cannot live without co......
err..without cozy men

LOL she definitely didn't get enough of "Big Sean"

 

[PruePhillip]

It's ironic that society expects more morality of its leaders (sports, politics, religion etc.)
whilst simultaneously being one of the most immoral generations in history. The average
American woman now has more lovers than she has children, and half of all children come
from broken homes.

Moral Issues

 

[Stanyon]

You can't blame him for trying to get a little sumthin sumthin.

 

[Misunderstood]

This is only put in the religious forum because it involves the morals of a religious leader at a religious event (funeral), who thinks nothing of copping a feel of a female breast, and in public no less.

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check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

He later apologized. Do you think that's enough?

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Uhh....isn't she the one that was giving the patron of a shop a hard time, and then grabbed his maple bar and licked it?

 

[Skwim]

Uhh....isn't she the one that was giving the patron of a shop a hard time, and then grabbed his maple bar and licked it?

I don't know. Is she?

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[Mindmaster]

It was a little too touchy-feely, but to call this sexual harassment is an exaggeration. I doubt it was even intentional.

To be honest, it looks accidental... He didn't even seem to register it. Anyway, it's pretty easy to do especially if the woman is a lot shorter and you're not paying much attention. You think you're putting an arm around her shoulder but your arms are not in the right place because either she or you moved.

It's only a problem if she thought it was one, and that remains my opinion.

 

[stvdv]

check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

Check out 1:54 she obviously enjoyed it him touching her, she was smiling like a kid in a candy shop

Check out 2:00 she obviously loves him, being all over him, her arms fully around him

If I do not like someone touching me, I just step back and it really shows on my face

Her face shows the opposite [nothing wrong with a nice hug I would say; Italian love hugs]

Are we on a spiritual forum here; we just talk some body parts (human flesh) touching

 

[Jumi]

The photo on it's own looks different than in the video. Doesn't look that bad, to be honest. With today's attitudes it's better not to leave things for the public to make guesses and exaggerations about. So don't touch.

 

[Faithofchristian]

This is only put in the religious forum because it involves the morals of a religious leader at a religious event (funeral), who thinks nothing of copping a feel of a female breast, and in public no less.

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check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

He later apologized. Do you think that's enough?

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Well seeing that he apologized, he just told on himself, why would anyone apologize if they thought they did no wrong ?

He apologized because he found himself getting caught. This only goes to show that Pastor's, Preachers, are not infallible, As much as they may think they are infallible.
This leads a person to think, how many times did he do this before getting caught?

It seems we had a Thread on this very thing just a couple of weeks ago.
About being ( Infallible)

But for some strange reason, Pastor's, Preachers, think their above everyone else.
Which they are not.

Romans 3:23--"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"

 

[Woberts]

It's ironic that society expects more morality of its leaders (sports, politics, religion etc.)
whilst simultaneously being one of the most immoral generations in history. The average
American woman now has more lovers than she has children, and half of all children come
from broken homes.

Moral Issues

>thinks morality as a concept matters
>oof

 

[LuisDantas]

Personally, I would not dare to reach conclusions on whether she liked being touched or not from the video and pictures alone.

People are entitled to make those decisions regardless of superficial appearances or even, if such is the case, some spur of the moment reaction, conscious or otherwise.

 

[PruePhillip]

>thinks morality as a concept matters
>oof

It is when you come from a broken home, your dad is on opioids and
your mother is a prostitute. You don't intend having any kids yourself
and the government is funding your gambling addiction.
Then multiply your problem by millions of others and you get an idea
of where not only you are going - but your country as well.

 

[BilliardsBall]

This is only put in the religious forum because it involves the morals of a religious leader at a religious event (funeral), who thinks nothing of copping a feel of a female breast, and in public no less.

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check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

He later apologized. Do you think that's enough?

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No, he should spend eternity in Hell for touching someone too high, while hugging her and looking at the audience and not who he was touching. Happy?

 

[Skwim]

But for some strange reason, Pastor's, Preachers, think their above everyone else.

Perhaps some do, but more commonly I believe their parishioners do.

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[David T]

This is only put in the religious forum because it involves the morals of a religious leader at a religious event (funeral), who thinks nothing of copping a feel of a female breast, and in public no less.

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check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

He later apologized. Do you think that's enough?

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Proverbs 5:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

 

[Skwim]

No, he should spend eternity in Hell for touching someone too high, while hugging her and looking at the audience and not who he was touching. Happy?

Why would this, in particular, make me happy?

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[sealchan]

This is only put in the religious forum because it involves the morals of a religious leader at a religious event (funeral), who thinks nothing of copping a feel of a female breast, and in public no less.

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check it out at the 0:41 and 0:58 marks

He later apologized. Do you think that's enough?

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I'm not seeing this as sexual harrassment. Why would this pastor do this intentionally in such a public way? It would only detract from what he might hope to accomplish.

He should desist from this sort of contact for it clearly made her feel uncomfortable as would be expected.

Whether the pastor unconsciously meant to grope is, perhaps, between him and God or his therapist.

All too often have men not taken women's boundaries seriously. Now is pay back time. I hope that such incidents continue to get reported and in the press.

 

[Skwim]

Proverbs 5:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

Whoa! Can this be applied to any woman one meets? "No offense meant young lady, but the Bible says I can squeeze your tits."

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