Paths - Which Are You On?

[Sgt. Pepper]

Well no one knows where their path is going not even you. You may believe it's going one way and feel 100% sure that's where it's going but you don't know not really cuz you don't know the future or anything like that. I know the verse refers to the afterlife but no one has proof or certian knowledge of what happens when you die. Some with psychic gifts may know more then others like those who communicate with the dead. But even they don't know the specifics and what all the possibilities are. You may believe with all your heart you going to heaven but truthfully? You still could be wrong. My path is about seeking knowledge. And bettering the self. So far it has made me a better person then Christianity ever did. I doubt it'll lead me to destruction but I know Christianity nearly lead me there. Whereas luciferianism and paganism has lead me to being happier and more fulfilled then I ever felt in the past.

Well said, RayofLight. You mentioned some with psychic gifts, like those who communicate with the dead. Well, I have this gift, and I can feel the presence of spirits, see them, hear them, and communicate with them. I won't go into any specific details because I've already shared my experiences in other threads. I wanted to tell you that based on my plethora of interactions with human spirits that the Bible isn't a reliable source to learn what happens to someone after they die because the Bible contradicts itself when it speaks of the afterlife. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't see spirits lurking in different places. I have helped some of these spirits cross over. If you'd like to, you can PM me, and we can talk more about my gift. I can show you some of the evidence that I've collected during my paranormal investigations. I'm an empath, and I know that I can trust you, and you won't backstab me.

Wow. Completely saying @Sgt. Pepper experiences are invalid.

While im one of the ones who believes christianity can be a beautiful religion you can't ignore some people just aren't right for it. Some people can only ever see it as painful. Im one of those who wish they could see it as beautiful and in a way many Christians I know sees it as but I cannot. It has caused me too much harm. You may say it was false theology that harmed me. But since Christians bicker among themselves to me that's a no true scotsmen fallacy. Be a little kinder won't you and not laugh at Pepper's pain?
I've been in their shoes. It is hard and breaks you leaving a religion.

Thanks for standing up for me, RayofLight. It means more to me than I can ever express. I'm not surprised by the callous reply I received because that attitude is typical of most Christians that I interact with IRL or online. It's one reason why I reject Christianity.

 

[VoidCat]

Thank you for standing up for me, RayofLight. It means more to me than I can ever express. I'm honestly not surprised by the callous reply I received because that attitude is typical of most Christians that I interact with in real life or online

You'd think laughing at your pain would be a no go. Maybe it's cuz I understand both sides. Im not as stuck in hurt as you are so I can see how Christianity can be healthy and be a good thing. I've healed a bit so I can see that. But I also been where you are. So I know that pain and wanting to see Christianity as nothing but horrible. I understand both you and @nPeace. If Peace here truly wants to help you see Christianity as not bad then laughing ain't going to help. He could tell you you are wrong without invalidating your experiences and without laughing. At the least know you won't listen much to him when full of pain he could acknowledge it and say that while he thinks you are wrong he won't debate with you cuz he knows you aren't likely to listen. Or something. I don't know that's what i would've done if I was a christian. I certainly wouldn't have laughed at you cuz that would just drive you farther from Christ.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@nPeace instead of laughing if what pepper says is untrue then teach them. If you can't teach them if you feel she won't listen then acknowledge her pain let her know you think she's wrong but don't laugh at her pain. It really isn't loving to laugh at someone's pain. That's how you drive someone farther away from christianity even after they've left it

You'd think laughing at your pain would be a no go. Maybe it's cuz I understand both sides. Im not as stuck in hurt as you are so I can see how Christianity can be healthy and be a good thing. I've healed a bit so I can see that. But I also been where you are. So I know that pain and wanting to see Christianity as nothing but horrible. I understand both you and @nPeace. If Peace here truly wants to help you see Christianity as not bad then laughing ain't going to help. He could tell you you are wrong without invalidating your experiences and without laughing. At the least know you won't listen much to him when full of pain he could acknowledge it and say that while he thinks you are wrong he won't debate with you cuz he knows you aren't likely to listen. Or something. I don't know that's what i would've done if I was a christian. I certainly wouldn't have laughed at you cuz that would just drive you farther from Christ.

I'm not in the least bit interested in hearing anything else from this person, and I won't discuss anything with him. As far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this person and anything else I hear from him will be like an annoying little gnat buzzing around my ear.

 

[VoidCat]

I'm not in the least bit interested in hearing anything else from this person, and I won't discuss anything with him. As far as I'm concerned, anything I hear from him is like an annoying little gnat buzzing around my ear.

Fair and I guessed that. Perhaps nPeace did too. Still laughing aint helping his case

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Fair and I guessed that. Perhaps nPeace did too. Still laughing aint helping his case

The damage is done, and it can't be undone. The truth is, there are few Christians who don't make my skin crawl, and if it weren't for these Christians, I would loathe Christianity. I can barely tolerate it, tbh. I have many reasons to explain why I feel this way.

 

[VoidCat]

The damage is done, and it can't be undone. The truth is, there are few Christians who don't make my skin crawl, and if it weren't for these Christians, I would loathe Christianity. I can barely tolerate it, tbh. I have many reasons to explain why I feel this way.

(Hugs) I get that feeling

 

[Wu Wei]

No that's just @Wu Wei .

Well...is the path in the woods..... then its my path

 

[The Hammer]

Well...is the path in the woods..... then its my path

I'm willing to share.

We can both enjoy the fruits of this path.

 

[Wu Wei]

I'm willing to share.

We can both enjoy the fruits of this path.
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Sure...can I have half of your half

 

[Sheldon]

According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will be cast into hell for all eternity.

That's not according to the Bible.

Oh really?

Revelation 21:8
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Revelation 20:10
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Revelation 20:15
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

Matthew 13:50
"And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

There are many many more to be sure...

 

[The Hammer]

Sure...can I have half of your half

I don't think I can say no to a bear.

 

[nPeace]

I can not speak for other people
Nor can i change what or how people believe

The interal path to me means to remove all filth from our mind and heart.

The path you are describing sounds like the one Christians are following.
(James 4:8) . . .Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts. . .
(1 John 3:3) . . .And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as that one is pure.
(2 Corinthians 7:1) . . .beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
(Luke 11:39-41) 39 But the Lord said to him: “Now you Pharisees, you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greediness and wickedness. 40 Unreasonable ones! The one who made the outside made also the inside, did he not? 41 But give as gifts of mercy the things that are from within, and look! everything about you will be clean.

Perhaps you called it an internal path because it involves spirit, but I know you are not Christian, but you do seek a life that is actually Christ-like... imo.
There is no higher standard of living than to be Christ-like. I don't know if you agree.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Oh really?

Revelation 21:8
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Revelation 20:10
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Revelation 20:15
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

Matthew 13:50
"And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

There are many many more to be sure...

But... but... but... these verses are obviously lies taught by men in robes, who call themselves Christian, and some people evidently believed these lies. The truth is, Christianity is so deeply divided that it can't be trusted to teach us anything about the Bible or about any significant spiritual issues. Catholic Christians are convinced that their interpretation of the Bible is correct, while Orthodox Christians are convinced that their interpretation of the Bible is correct. And then there's a wide variety of Protestant Christians and their different versions of biblical interpretation pertaining to salvation, baptism, eternal life, and the end times.

Good heavens, that would take a very long time to sort out.

Is salvation unconditional or conditional?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Is speaking in tongues evidence that a person is saved?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Does a person have be immersed in water or sprinkled with water to be baptized?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Will there be a Rapture of the Christian Church or not?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

When will this Rapture of the Christian Church happen?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

 

[nPeace]

I did not use the Biblical account.
In my opinion.

Great!
Then you agree the Biblical account is reliable, since you used a reliable source that supports the Biblical account?
Or did you use an unreliable source?

 

[Spirit of Light]

The path you are describing sounds like the one Christians are following.
(James 4:8) . . .Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts. . .
(1 John 3:3) . . .And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as that one is pure.
(2 Corinthians 7:1) . . .beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
(Luke 11:39-41) 39 But the Lord said to him: “Now you Pharisees, you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greediness and wickedness. 40 Unreasonable ones! The one who made the outside made also the inside, did he not? 41 But give as gifts of mercy the things that are from within, and look! everything about you will be clean.

Perhaps you called it an internal path because it involves spirit, but I know you are not Christian, but you do seek a life that is actually Christ-like... imo.
There is no higher standard of living than to be Christ-like. I don't know if you agree.

A christ like life is a very good way of life

 

[nPeace]

I am feeling fine. My only nightmare is to spend eternity with people like Jesus, Pat Robertson and Mother Teresa. Endless and inescapable boredom.
So, I prefer destruction. Hands down.

Ciao

- viole

Did you learn about Jesus from the Bible? Or did you learn about the Jesus taught by people?
Name one bad thing about Jesus.
What don't you like about him, other than that he does not agree with the things you think you wish to do?

 

[nPeace]

A christ like life is a very good way of life

The best?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

A christ like life is a very good way of life

It's too bad that so many followers of Christ fail miserably at this way of life, and they severely taint his image to so many people.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's too bad that so many followers of Christ fail miserably at this way of life, and they severely taint his image to so many people.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

I have nothing against christ or christians

 

[Psalm23]

But... but... but... these verses are obviously lies taught by men in robes, who call themselves Christian, and some people evidently believed these lies. The truth is, Christianity is so deeply divided that it can't be trusted to teach us anything about the Bible or about any significant spiritual issues. Catholic Christians are convinced that their interpretation of the Bible is correct, while Orthodox Christians are convinced that their interpretation of the Bible is correct. And then there's a wide variety of Protestant Christians and their different versions of biblical interpretation pertaining to salvation, baptism, eternal life, and the end times.

Good heavens, that would take a very long time to sort out.

Is salvation unconditional or conditional?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Is speaking in tongues evidence that a person is saved?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Does a person have be immersed in water or sprinkled with water to be baptized?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

Will there be a Rapture of the Christian Church or not?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

When will this Rapture of the Christian Church happen?

The answer depends on which Christians you ask.

I agree with you that it depends on which Christian you ask. In some of my own faith views I have shifted . Certain things I felt completely sure of, now I am uncertain of. There is a pastor I like to listen to who I think does well with Bible questions.