Paths - Which Are You On?

[nPeace]

Well no one knows where their path is going not even you. You may believe it's going one way and feel 100% sure that's where it's going but you don't know not really cuz you don't know the future or anything like that. I know the verse refers to the afterlife but no one has proof or certian knowledge of what happens when you die. Some with psychic gifts may know more then others like those who communicate with the dead. But even they don't know the specifics and what all the possibilities are. You may believe with all your heart you going to heaven but truthfully? You still could be wrong. My path is about seeking knowledge. And bettering the self. So far it has made me a better person then Christianity ever did. I doubt it'll lead me to destruction but I know Christianity nearly lead me there. Whereas luciferianism and paganism has lead me to being happier and more fulfilled then I ever felt in the past.

Speak for yourself Ray.
You cannot speak for others, based on a lack of knowledge.
If you don't know, fine. We accept that, However, your not knowing does not , make everyone like you.

That's like an Atheist saying, I don't know that God exists. Therefore nobody knows.

Think of it this way. If your dad is a trustworthy reliable person, whom you grew up your whole life with, and he makes out a will for you to inherit property, and gives you the title deed, you know that you are guaranteed to get that property... once you don't die... Regardless of who doubts, or don't know anything about your dad, or the will, etc.

God is not a man.
Furthermore, those who are sealed with his token of promise know that they will receive it... once they faithfully follow his path.

So please don't tell me about your uncertain journey being mine.
That may be your wish, but a real hope is nothing like a wish.

 

[nPeace]

Possibly, since I think I was alluding to the obvious.

Possibly? No. Definitely.
I wouldn't even pay you a cent for what you think. Obvious? LOL
I think it's obvious you sounded a false alarm. Maybe you are too eager. Try again.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have nothing against christ or christians

Well, in that case, I consider you to be one of the lucky few who don't.

There is a pastor I like to listen to who I think does well with Bible questions.

He's just another Christian who thinks he knows what the Bible teaches, but I guarantee that not all Christians will agree with him.

 

[VoidCat]

Speak for yourself Ray.
You cannot speak for others, based on a lack of knowledge.
If you don't know, fine. We accept that, However, your not knowing does not , make everyone like you.

That's like an Atheist saying, I don't know that God exists. Therefore nobody knows.

Think of it this way. If your dad is a trustworthy reliable person, whom you grew up your whole life with, and he makes out a will for you to inherit property, and gives you the title deed, you know that you are guaranteed to get that property... once you don't die... Regardless of who doubts, or don't know anything about your dad, or the will, etc.

God is not a man.
Furthermore, those who are sealed with his token of promise know that they will receive it... once they faithfully follow his path.

So please don't tell me about your uncertain journey being mine.
That may be your wish, but a real hope is nothing like a wish.

Hmm...you are correct. I don't know about your personal relationship with your god or what you know. However I do know my relationship with my gods. And I do know a bit about my own journey. So what you wrote here is valid.

I'll say tho no human knows all the secrets of the universe or where their path will lead. Im not talking on the afterlife here just your path in general. No one knows really where they'll be 10 years from now.

I certainly dont know where I'll be tommorrow let alone years from now.

So no I dont know where my path leads but I doubt it'll be my destruction as my journey with my gods so far has only helped me. I have no reason to think it'll lead towards anywhere but forward

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well, in that case, I consider you to be one of the lucky few who don't.



He's just another Christian who thinks he knows what the Bible teaches, but I guarantee that not all Christians will agree with him.

For me its more about accepting that others will believe differently and behave differently than i do.

 

[nPeace]

Wow. Completely saying @Sgt. Pepper experiences are invalid.

While im one of the ones who believes christianity can be a beautiful religion you can't ignore some people just aren't right for it. Some people can only ever see it as painful. Im one of those who wish they could see it as beautiful and in a way many Christians I know sees it as but I cannot. It has caused me too much harm. You may say it was false theology that harmed me. But since Christians bicker among themselves to me that's a no true scotsmen fallacy. Be a little kinder won't you and not laugh at Pepper's pain?
I've been in their shoes. It is hard and breaks you leaving a religion.

Millions of people see the damage done by false religion. They see the confusion in the thousands of religions. They see the hypocrisy. You name it, they have seen it.
They also have experience some terrible things.
I mean... what can be worst than torture, and dying of starvation, at the hands of cruel men.

So why have these millions not turned their back on God, and hate the Bible, or followers of Christ?
Gee.

Some say it's stockholm syndrome. Some say it's delusion... etc. etc.
I think the Bible nicely defines and sums it up.
It says it's a case a heart condition. Not the physical beating heart, but the inner person. It says that's what God sees, and I can tell you, if I had the ability to read hearts, and know what a person is on the inside, I would know who to give my most valuable gifts to, and who to withhold it from, and I would not care if they hate me either, because I would know those who really love me, and they would be the ones who benefit from not only really knowing me, and the truth... if I possess it, but they would benefit from what I have in store for their future as well... and if I could live forever... No need to ask... They get to live forever... with me.

I mean, would you give money to a guy you know is asking you for something to eat, if you know he is going to take the money ang go buy meth to get high?
I think that would be foolish, don't you? The God I read about in the Bible is not foolish... as far as I know.

 

[VoidCat]

I mean, would you give money to a guy you know is asking you for something to eat, if you know he is going to take the money ang go buy meth to get high?
I think that would be foolish, don't you? The God I read about in the Bible is not foolish... as far as I know.

if I have the money
I would take them somewhere to eat. And buy them groceries if they are hungry and of need of food.
In fact I have done that before help homeless people and people who aren't homeless but couldn't afford food.

 

[Spirit of Light]

if I have the money
I would take them somewhere to eat. And buy them groceries if they are hungry and of need of food.
In fact I have done that before help homeless people and people who aren't homeless but couldn't afford food.

It show you have compassion for other people who are in need

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

if I have the money
I would take them somewhere to eat. And buy them groceries if they are hungry and of need of food.
In fact I have done that before help homeless people and people who aren't homeless but couldn't afford food.

I've done that too, my friend.

Someone I was helping asked me, "Why are you helping me when you don't know me?" I told her that I didn't need to know her to care about her.

 

[VoidCat]

It show you have compassion for other people who are in need

No it shows I ain't an ******* and don't want folk to die of starvation just cuz they might have an addiction.

 

[Viker]

Would you like to share where it's leading, and what's the final destination?

I'm heading for a light that I see in the distance. It likely leads to the gods of yester years. More than likely I will return into to the earth and into the universe.

I do suspect and do wish to join the dark gods of lore. I'd love to converse closely with Odin and others if ever possible. Finally resting in peace would be fine as well.

 

[nPeace]

Fair and I guessed that. Perhaps nPeace did too. Still laughing aint helping his case

I don't have a case with anyone who choses a path @Sgt. Pepper has chosen.

 

[VoidCat]

I don't have a case with anyone who choses a path @Sgt. Pepper has chosen.

Fair. I think maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[Bird123]

Jesus spoke of two roads - one narrow, and one broad.
One leads to destruction. One leads to life Matthew 7:13, 14.

What path are you on?
Where is it leading? Is there a final destination?
Hoping @RayofLight wwill share in this discussion.

The first thing God pointed out to me is that mankind carries such a narrow view. I work on mine every day.

God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could see. Interaction creates so much learning.

If one chooses to limit their view, how much of reality will one miss?

Clearly, narrow has never ever been the most intelligent choice. God has never ever limited the view. Look around you. God hides nothing. If God isn't limiting anyone's view, why should anyone choose to limit their own view?

If you limit your view, you are not copying God. Open your eyes. See and Discover God around you. All the secrets of God and the universe stare us all in the face.

If you do not keep a wide view, how much will you be missing? How much are you already missing? Much more than you realize.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[nPeace]

I'm willing to share.

We can both enjoy the fruits of this path.
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Y... you mean, you're not going to fight.

 

[danieldemol]

Great!
Then you agree the Biblical account is reliable, since you used a reliable source that supports the Biblical account?
Or did you use an unreliable source?

Are you claiming that the Biblical account says Jesus was defeated by the ancient Romans?
If so perhaps you should be taking that up with @InChrist

And no we don't measure the reliability of historical sources against the Bible, you got it backwards, we measure the reliability of the Bible against historical sources, or at least that's how I do it anyway.

In my opinion.

 

[nPeace]

Oh really?

Revelation 21:8
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Revelation 20:10
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Revelation 20:15
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

Matthew 13:50
"And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

There are many many more to be sure...

I find it interesting that people - especially unbelievers - are willing to believe what someone tells them to believe, even though what they are told is shown to be false.

Did anyone show you from the scriptures that those verses do refer to God burning the wicked forever?

Tell me, why would you still believe that lie, over what you are shown in scripture?

(John 8:24) . . .That is why I said to you: You will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am the one, you will die in your sins.. . .
(Romans 8:13) . . .for if you live according to the flesh, you are sure to die; but if you put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, you will live.
(John 3:16) . . .“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Since when does die mean tormented forever?
Some have probably told you, 'Yes they die - the body does - but the soul does not. That is what is tormented.'
Really?

Did they show you that?
You can probably show me those scriptures too right?

I noticed the very first quotation you posted said something you probably didn't even read with any care.
Revelation 21:8
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Ah. Now there the Bible directly spells out in elementary terms a simple truth, and you didn't even notice. Now, why am I not surprised.

The second quotation is just as elementary...
Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Destroy means burn forever???

I hope you are getting the picture. The problem is indeed with misunderstanding isn't it... not the Bible.
You people just believe the lies, and there is a reason for that, spelled out in the very Bible, in various places.
God is good. I love his methods of sifting out the bad.

If you can't tell the difference between symbolic, and literal, it's not the fault of the scripture. You need to look elsewhere for the fault.
Look back at every quotation you made here, and read it with fresh eyes... if that's possible.
The Devil will be tormented in the lake of fire... and the lake of fire means what?
Hmmm.

I love it.

 

[nPeace]

Are you claiming that the Biblical account says Jesus was defeated by the ancient Romans?
If so perhaps you should be taking that up with @InChrist

And no we don't measure the reliability of historical sources against the Bible, you got it backwards, we measure the reliability of the Bible against historical sources, or at least that's how I do it anyway.

In my opinion.

I'm dealing with your claim, not strawman arguments.
So you refered to an unreliable source, but you don't use unreliable sources.
Okay. Take care.

 

[nPeace]

Hmm...you are correct. I don't know about your personal relationship with your god or what you know. However I do know my relationship with my gods. And I do know a bit about my own journey. So what you wrote here is valid.

I'll say tho no human knows all the secrets of the universe or where their path will lead. Im not talking on the afterlife here just your path in general. No one knows really where they'll be 10 years from now.

I certainly dont know where I'll be tommorrow let alone years from now.

So no I dont know where my path leads but I doubt it'll be my destruction as my journey with my gods so far has only helped me. I have no reason to think it'll lead towards anywhere but forward

I know where my path will lead if I follow the path of the righteous one, to the end. I do not need to know all the secrets of the universe, in order to know.
No one knows where they will be tomorrow. However, a life cut short along the path to life is like a detour to where the path' leads - it's final destination.

 

[danieldemol]

I'm dealing with your claim, not strawman arguments.

My claim is that Jesus was defeated by the ancient Romans.

So you refered to an unreliable source

No I specifically did not refer to the Bible which is an unreliable source.

but you don't use unreliable sources.

Now you're in the ball park.

In my opinion.