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Paul created Calvanism!!!

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
You judged a chosen of God, and that was Apostle Paul.
I gave you scripture about those who judge a chosen of God. You THEN mocked God by saying, "by the way, my wife is very fertile and I don't see any white spots yet".
Maybe I am confident that he was not chosen. My comment was mocking your accusation....not YHVH.
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
I have provided overwhelming evidence for my position on Paul. He was not one of Yeshua's twelve.
You call Apostle Pau a liar, a fake.

You also say that about Peter, because Peter calls what Paul says is gospel.


2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
You call Apostle Pau a liar, a fake.

You also say that about Peter, because Peter calls what Paul says is gospel.


2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
No I didn't. Peter didn't say that.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
1 Peter is legit. 2 peter was an obvious forgerie. You would already know this if you were open to looking at the texts without bias. Many prominent scholars have admitted as much. Of course if you start with the silly premise that the 27 NT books are infallable then logic is already out the window and nothing I say will change your mind.
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
1 Peter is legit. 2 peter was an obvious forgerie. You would already know this if you were open to looking at the texts without bias. Many prominent scholars have admitted as much. Of course if you start with the silly premise that the 27 NT books are infallable then logic is already out the window and nothing I say will change your mind.
Get Jesus' teachings and obey them, then you will know that all the scriptures in the Holy Bible is true.
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
Yeshua taught repent and follow Torah.
Why do you think God told people to do certain CEREMONIAL works, just to be able to go to the temple and worship Him?

Are you really following the Torah?

We do not have to do all these works anymore just to make ourselves clean to go to the Tent, or to the Temple, just to worship God.

JESUS FULFILLED the Law. All we have to do is have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us, and we become the temple of the Living God.

What is wrong with you? Why won't you accept the truth?

Leviticus 15
Discharges Causing Uncleanness
15 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any man has an unusual bodily discharge, such a discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:
4 “‘Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. 5 Anyone who touches his bed must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 6 Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
7 “‘Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
8 “‘If the man with the discharge spits on anyone who is clean, they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
9 “‘Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, 10 and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
12 “‘A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.
13 “‘When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. 14 On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the Lord to the entrance to the tent of meeting and give them to the priest. 15 The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering[a] and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the Lord for the man because of his discharge.
16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, they will be unclean till evening.
24 “‘If a man has sexual relations with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.
25 “‘When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Anyone who touches them will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
28 “‘When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the Lord for the uncleanness of her discharge.
31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[b] which is among them.’”
32 These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, 33 for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
Why do you think God told people to do certain CEREMONIAL works, just to be able to go to the temple and worship Him?

Are you really following the Torah?

We do not have to do all these works anymore just to make ourselves clean to go to the Tent, or to the Temple, just to worship God.

JESUS FULFILLED the Law. All we have to do is have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us, and we become the temple of the Living God.

What is wrong with you? Why won't you accept the truth?

Leviticus 15
Discharges Causing Uncleanness
15 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any man has an unusual bodily discharge, such a discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:
4 “‘Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. 5 Anyone who touches his bed must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 6 Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
7 “‘Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
8 “‘If the man with the discharge spits on anyone who is clean, they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
9 “‘Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, 10 and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
12 “‘A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.
13 “‘When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. 14 On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the Lord to the entrance to the tent of meeting and give them to the priest. 15 The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering[a] and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the Lord for the man because of his discharge.
16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, they will be unclean till evening.
24 “‘If a man has sexual relations with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.
25 “‘When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Anyone who touches them will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
28 “‘When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the Lord for the uncleanness of her discharge.
31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[b] which is among them.’”
32 These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, 33 for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.
I hate to break it to you, but the Temple will be rebuilt by Yeshua when he comes back. Every command which pertains to the Temple will be in full force soon. Many of these commands simply can't be kept right now because there is no Temple. This does not mean that the laws don't exist anymore. The Temple has been destroyed and rebuilt before.

"Yeshua commanded others to offer burnt offerings

If, as far as God was concerned, all burnt offerings had become acts of futility by Isaiah's time, there arises a significant problem in light of the fact that Yeshua spoke of burnt offerings as though they were an everyday acceptable practice.

"Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way, First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift." Matthew 5:23,24

Many Christians think that Yeshua was referring to monetary gifts. In many Christian churches there is a table near the front of the sanctuary that is called an "altar"... from whence comes the evangelical phrase, "altar call". On this table is placed the congregation's monetary gifts. These gifts are almost always referred to as "offerings". There were no such tables called "altars" at the time Yeshua spoke these words. In Yeshua's day, "altar" meant only one thing... the place on which burnt sacrifices were offered. The monetary gifts were given at a place called "the treasury". See Mark 12:41-44.

Yeshua, even commanded individuals to go and make a specific burnt offering. After healing a man with leprosy, Yeshua told him;

"...go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." Matthew 8:4

This offering is commanded in Leviticus 14:1-32 and consists of numerous animal sacrifices. To those who believe Yeshua is the Messiah, the question is, if in fact burnt offerings were acts of futility in God's eyes, why did Yeshua command this healed leper to offer them?
Burnt offerings after Yeshua's ascension!?

Even after Yeshua had ascended, the early Messianic believers who worshipped in Jerusalem before the advent of Paul, didn't know any better than to continue with all the elements of the Law including those of burnt offerings. When rumor reached the Jerusalem elders that Paul had been teaching against the Law of Moses, James confronted Paul about it. He initially gave Paul the benefit of the doubt and gave him a chance to prove to everyone that it was just a vicious rumor and that he continued to abide by the Law. This he did by ordering Paul to involve himself in the purification rituals of four Nazarites.

On the following day Paul went in with us to James and all the elders were present. ...and they said to him, (Paul) "You see brother how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. What then is to be done? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the Law. Acts 21:18,20-24

This rite included burnt animal sacrifices for sin, and these were the "expenses" that James wanted Paul to provide! Here is what the Law requires of a Nazarite who has fulfilled his vow.

Now this is the Law of the Nazirite: When the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall be brought to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. And he shall present his offering to the Lord: one male lamb in its first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish as a sin offering, one ram without blemish as peace offering,... Then the priest shall bring them before the Lord and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering... Then the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire which under the sacrifice of the peace offering... Excerpts from Numbers 6:13-18

It is of utmost significance that James requested Paul to involve himself in this rite for the very purpose of proving to everyone that all of the Law of Moses continued to stand. As far as James was concerned, making Paul himself provide the animals for the burnt offerings should have proven that he still walked orderly and kept the Law. The fact that Paul went along with James' request in stark contradiction to what he had been teaching only underscores the fact that he didn't have much of a spine. Most Christian theologians have a terrible time trying to reconcile Paul's involvement in this rite with what he taught. From their point of view, if Paul ever did make an error... going along with James on this was it!

The undeniable fact of history that everyone must face is that the Jerusalem Messianic believers, led by James and Peter, had obviously never heard anything about the sacrificial system being ended with Yeshua's sacrifice! Are we really to believe that Yeshua forgot to tell them that after he died, there would be no more need for burnt offerings? Many of these believers had been there and heard Yeshua teach on many occasions, but nobody knew any better than to keep right on obeying all the Law of Moses... including those of burnt offerings for sin! Nobody that is, except those associated with Paul."
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
Here is what the Messiah will do in the future kingdom:

"Then it shall be the Prince's part (royalty!) to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel, he shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel." Ezekiel 45:17.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
O yeah…circumcision will be a requirement again too:

'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary. Eze 44:9
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
I hate to break it to you, but the Temple will be rebuilt by Yeshua when he comes back. Every command which pertains to the Temple will be in full force soon. Many of these commands simply can't be kept right now because there is no Temple. This does not mean that the laws don't exist anymore. The Temple has been destroyed and rebuilt before.

"Yeshua commanded others to offer burnt offerings

If, as far as God was concerned, all burnt offerings had become acts of futility by Isaiah's time, there arises a significant problem in light of the fact that Yeshua spoke of burnt offerings as though they were an everyday acceptable practice.

"Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way, First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift." Matthew 5:23,24

Many Christians think that Yeshua was referring to monetary gifts. In many Christian churches there is a table near the front of the sanctuary that is called an "altar"... from whence comes the evangelical phrase, "altar call". On this table is placed the congregation's monetary gifts. These gifts are almost always referred to as "offerings". There were no such tables called "altars" at the time Yeshua spoke these words. In Yeshua's day, "altar" meant only one thing... the place on which burnt sacrifices were offered. The monetary gifts were given at a place called "the treasury". See Mark 12:41-44.

Yeshua, even commanded individuals to go and make a specific burnt offering. After healing a man with leprosy, Yeshua told him;

"...go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." Matthew 8:4

This offering is commanded in Leviticus 14:1-32 and consists of numerous animal sacrifices. To those who believe Yeshua is the Messiah, the question is, if in fact burnt offerings were acts of futility in God's eyes, why did Yeshua command this healed leper to offer them?
Burnt offerings after Yeshua's ascension!?

Even after Yeshua had ascended, the early Messianic believers who worshipped in Jerusalem before the advent of Paul, didn't know any better than to continue with all the elements of the Law including those of burnt offerings. When rumor reached the Jerusalem elders that Paul had been teaching against the Law of Moses, James confronted Paul about it. He initially gave Paul the benefit of the doubt and gave him a chance to prove to everyone that it was just a vicious rumor and that he continued to abide by the Law. This he did by ordering Paul to involve himself in the purification rituals of four Nazarites.

On the following day Paul went in with us to James and all the elders were present. ...and they said to him, (Paul) "You see brother how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. What then is to be done? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the Law. Acts 21:18,20-24

This rite included burnt animal sacrifices for sin, and these were the "expenses" that James wanted Paul to provide! Here is what the Law requires of a Nazarite who has fulfilled his vow.

Now this is the Law of the Nazirite: When the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall be brought to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. And he shall present his offering to the Lord: one male lamb in its first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish as a sin offering, one ram without blemish as peace offering,... Then the priest shall bring them before the Lord and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering... Then the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire which under the sacrifice of the peace offering... Excerpts from Numbers 6:13-18

It is of utmost significance that James requested Paul to involve himself in this rite for the very purpose of proving to everyone that all of the Law of Moses continued to stand. As far as James was concerned, making Paul himself provide the animals for the burnt offerings should have proven that he still walked orderly and kept the Law. The fact that Paul went along with James' request in stark contradiction to what he had been teaching only underscores the fact that he didn't have much of a spine. Most Christian theologians have a terrible time trying to reconcile Paul's involvement in this rite with what he taught. From their point of view, if Paul ever did make an error... going along with James on this was it!

The undeniable fact of history that everyone must face is that the Jerusalem Messianic believers, led by James and Peter, had obviously never heard anything about the sacrificial system being ended with Yeshua's sacrifice! Are we really to believe that Yeshua forgot to tell them that after he died, there would be no more need for burnt offerings? Many of these believers had been there and heard Yeshua teach on many occasions, but nobody knew any better than to keep right on obeying all the Law of Moses... including those of burnt offerings for sin! Nobody that is, except those associated with Paul."

The Pharisees and teachers of the law sat in Moses' seat.

The Pharisees and teachers of the law were the only ones who did not repent and have faith in Jesus.

While the temple was still standing...the Pharisees who sat in Moses' seat made the people obey the old laws for the temple, or they would be put in jail, beat, and killed.

God nailed the rules and regulations to the cross.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

Everyone is to come to God through Jesus.


Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God.

God is not telling anyone to build a temple and sacrifice animals.


Matthew 23:2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.

Colossians 2:14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
O yeah…circumcision will be a requirement again too:

'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary. Eze 44:9

Those saved have become the temple of the Living God.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
The Pharisees and teachers of the law sat in Moses' seat.

The Pharisees and teachers of the law were the only ones who did not repent and have faith in Jesus.

While the temple was still standing...the Pharisees who sat in Moses' seat made the people obey the old laws for the temple, or they would be put in jail, beat, and killed.

God nailed the rules and regulations to the cross.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

Everyone is to come to God through Jesus.


Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God.

God is not telling anyone to build a temple and sacrifice animals.


Matthew 23:2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.

Colossians 2:14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Do you know what "Moses seat" even was?

Yeshua didn't grant ANY authority to Pharisees. They had destroyed YHVH's laws by creating their own law structure which was completely different to Torah.

Sacrifices will resume when Yeshua returns…sorry. The scriptures don't lie.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)

Pharisees were experts in the law???? Not according to Yeshua!

"Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law
Paul says in Philippians 3:5-6 that as a result of his time as a Pharisee that "as touching righteousness, found blameless." Cf. Acts 26:5 where Paul says "I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee."

Of course, Jesus taught contrarily that the Pharisees were lax in teaching and obeying the Law. See Matt.23:23. See also, Matt. 15: 6,9.

This contradiction between Paul and Jesus has probably had the most important impact on doctrine. By perceiving the Pharisees through Paul's eyes, we are led to believe Jesus condemned the Pharisees as legalists -- Paul's view. However, Jesus condemned the Pharisees as ANTI-LEGALISTS. Jesus condemned them as teachers abrogating the Law by their man-made ordinances. (Matt. 15:6). And Jesus condemned them as those who taught the lesser commands of the Law while ignoring the more weightier commands of the Law. (Matt. 23:23.)

Hence, a wrong deduction is achieved by using Paul's contradictory perception of the Pharisees. Paul says the Pharisees are legalists; but Jesus says they are anti-legalists. These are radically opposite perceptions. If Paul's view were correct, then Jesus impliedly condemned obedience any longer to the Law by criticizing the Pharisees. However, if Jesus's view of the Pharisees as lax about the Law is correct (and who can deny our Lord's veracity!), then Jesus condemned any teaching that either marginalized the Law or contradicted the Law.

This fits precisely into Jesus's statement: "he that teaches and keeps the Law of Moses will be great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matt. 5:19.)

However, because Paul depicts the Pharisees - enemies of Jesus - as law-keepers, Paul is understood to be "condemning all who are zealous of the Law of Moses as an enemy of Messiah." (Cosette, Id., at 21.)

This means Paul indirectly condemned our Lord Jesus Christ when Paul condemned those who were teaching the Law should be followed, both big and little commands."
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
You clearly have demonstrated a number of things.

1. You have no idea what Yeshua actually taught, much less the Torah and the Prophets
2. Your entire concept of scripture is centered around the concepts of Paul. He is your bedrock and foundation which has forced you into dismissing many valid statements by Yeshua and many of the prophets whom YHVH actually spoke through!
3. You are not able to consider the possibility that you are wrong. You are determined to pitch the typical Pauline gospel of cheap grace and law abolishment which is 100% contrary to Yeshua and ALL of the legitimate Hebrew Scriptures.
 
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Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
Do you know what "Moses seat" even was?

Yeshua didn't grant ANY authority to Pharisees. They had destroyed YHVH's laws by creating their own law structure which was completely different to Torah.

Sacrifices will resume when Yeshua returns…sorry. The scriptures don't lie.
You just do not know the scriptures.
 
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