Paul declares the God of Israel dead!

[Desert Snake]

Do you agree that the 4 gospels and revelation don't say this? Hebrews was written by Paul or one of his contemporaries so I give it little authority.

Well, that is a big question. The 'answers' don't fit what we would necessarily assume right off the bat either. Personally, I separate man form jeshua from Deity i.e. 'G-d' though only in the sense of the man form. Jeshua as the image of G-d is still relevant to me, and further I don't think we can 'just' have His teachings, that to me is actually sort of ridiculous, because they are highly interpretive, so it's just a set up for bad information/"teachings". In this regard I'm going against the flow of modern Xianity it seems, whatever. I can read a Bible and do my own research, the last thing I need is someone elses bias/agenda.

 

[Simplelogic]

Well, that is a big question. The 'answers' don't fit what we would necessarily assume right off the bat either. Personally, I separate man form jeshua from Deity i.e. 'G-d' though only in the sense of the man form. Jeshua as the image of G-d is still relevant to me, and further I don't think we can 'just' have His teachings, that to me is actually sort of ridiculous, because they are highly interpretive, so it's just a set up for bad information/"teachings". In this regard I'm going against the flow of modern Xianity it seems, whatever. I can read a Bible and do my own research, the last thing I need is someone elses bias/agenda.

I think Yeshua's words are pretty easy to understand when not read through a Pauline lens. Its the same message as the prophets. Turn back to YHVH and repent. What part of his teachings are highly interpretive in your view?

 

[outhouse]

I think Yeshua's words are pretty easy to understand when not read through a Pauline lens.

You do not know what his words were.

You are only using unknown Hellenistic authors who wrote about him long after and far removed from any word or event.

Everything the gospels state can be traced back to John the Baptist or any Aramaic Galilean. Jesus did not invent these parables, he learned them from his geographic location.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think Yeshua's words are pretty easy to understand when not read through a Pauline lens. Its the same message as the prophets. Turn back to YHVH and repent. What part of his teachings are highly interpretive in your view?

Wow, I think you may want to have more discussions with people identifying as Christian and focusing on the 'teachings' as opposed to the theistic ideas. They are highly interpretive. I don't personally want to discuss His teachings because I am a Theist outside of the biased lines of church doctrine, it's all through some lens imo, not just Pauls. I find Pauls lens/point of view pretty coherent though.

 

[Simplelogic]

You do not know what his words were.

You are only using unknown Hellenistic authors who wrote about him long after and far removed from any word or event.

Everything the gospels state can be traced back to John the Baptist or any Aramaic Galilean. Jesus did not invent these parables, he learned them from his geographic location.

Obviously I disagree with this.

 

[Simplelogic]

Wow, I think you may want to have more discussions with people identifying as Christian and focusing on the 'teachings' as opposed to the theistic ideas. They are highly interpretive. I don't personally want to discuss His teachings because I am a Theist outside of the biased lines of church doctrine, it's all through some lens imo, not just Pauls. I find Pauls lens/point of view pretty coherent though.

Thats kewl. I have a great deal of respect for many Theist. I agree with your rejection of organized religion too. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and a very logical man. I agree with most of his premises.

 

[Simplelogic]

"2 For the woman (Israel/Jews) which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband."

My question remains…who is the husband being referred to by Paul here. I still maintain it was the God of the Torah. It says that this "husband" was connected to the law of Moses. Are there any differing opinions on this??

 

[Desert Snake]

Thats kewl. I have a great deal of respect for many Theist. I agree with your rejection of organized religion too. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and a very logical man. I agree with most of his premises.

Great. I disagree with Jeffersons approach somewhat though, I have a different opinion on the teachings, at least from what I can tell about his perspective from some quick reading, haven't researched it or anything. Not really something of interest to me.

 

[Simplelogic]

Great. I disagree with Jeffersons approach somewhat though, I have a different opinion on the teachings, at least from what I can tell about his perspective from some quick reading, haven't researched it or anything. Not really something of interest to me.

Okie dokie

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Great another anti Paul thread based on ignorance and out of context quote mining, OH BOY!!!!!!!!

How much context does one need? Endless context can really make the magnifying glass pointless sometimes.

 

[dawny0826]

Do you agree with Paul or not?

I agree that I am bound to God under the covenant established by Christ. This convenant requires our bedience to the commandments of Moses with two additional commandments added: Love God with all of our hearts. Love our neighborhood with all of our hearts.

It's through and by LOVE that we fulfill God's law to the fullest.

Please let me know if you would like scriptural references.

 

[outhouse]

How much context does one need? .

Enough to know what one is talking about.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that Torah; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

one dies to being bound to sin by accepting the "body of Christ" WHO had died upon the Cross for payment of all of mankind who acknowledge and repent of sinning. In the arising unto newness of life one is freed to marry the one who freed them from sin and death.

Easier and more sensible for a confused man to master astrophysics, than to pass through the eye of this theological needle wherein you have to marry the body of a husband who frees your from marriage laws. The mental energy I'd need to understand some of this stuff might be better used trying to lift rocks with my mind like Luke Skywalker.

 

[Desert Snake]

I agree that I am bound to God under the covenant established by Christ. This convenant requires our bedience to the commandments of Moses with two additional commandments added: Love God with all of our hearts. Love our neighborhood with all of our hearts.

It's through and by LOVE that we fulfill God's law to the fullest.

Please let me know if you would like scriptural references.

Is this like a two way street? I don't believe that if this is true Satan is prancing around causing problems, all within the knowledge of G-d, what sort of bizarre Deity would actually have some sort of 'team' of good and evil just to test the humans.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Enough to know what one is talking about.

Ok, before I quote Paul in a post, I'll be sure to quote 10 other things he said every time, from all over the NT.

 

[outhouse]

Ok, before I quote Paul in a post, I'll be sure to quote 10 other things he said every time, from all over the NT.

Do you think that will help you?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Is this like a two way street? I don't believe that if this is true Satan is prancing around causing problems, all within the knowledge of G-d, what sort of bizarre Deity would actually have some sort of 'team' of good and evil just to test the humans.

The g_d of job would I'm fairly sure, just like the christian god.

 

[dawny0826]

Is this like a two way street? I don't believe that if this is true Satan is prancing around causing problems, all within the knowledge of G-d, what sort of bizarre Deity would actually have some sort of 'team' of good and evil just to test the humans.

Two way street? If you're talking mutuality, I certainly feel that God gives back much more than what I give. I don't buy the whole concept of "the devil made me do it". I perceive Satan to be a distraction. But then, so is cheesecake.

I'm going to face unpleasantries in my life whether I choose to chaulk it up to negative influence or "test". It's all about perception.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Do you think that will help you?

If I tie together all random stuff he said and did, it would probably keep it 'context.'

 

[outhouse]

If I tie together all random stuff he said and did, it would probably keep it 'context.'

Good luck with that.

Because no where does OP substantiate his claims.