Paul on Women, Sex and Dress

[Simplelogic]

To repent you must have done something wrong, therefore you are sinning and not keeping them!

Thankfully, following the Torah is not an all or nothing thing where when we mess up once we are doomed. He allows us to repent when we sin and return to Him.

 

[Simplelogic]

In other words you do not keep the law!

Sure I do. I just don't do it perfectly.

 

[Simplelogic]

Which ten? Ex 20 or Ex34?

Good point. There is more than just 10 main commandments.

 

[Simplelogic]

You also don't keep it if you covet. Do you covet?

no

 

[BummerBeavis]

Once again. Loving God with all our heart is not part of the 10. Neither is loving our neighbor. Why do you limit things to just the 10? How have you come to this conclusion?

i do not know what you are getting at. are you saying not to keep the 10?

 

[BummerBeavis]

Good point. There is more than just 10 main commandments.

again are you saying to not keep the 10

 

[Simplelogic]

So now you are saying that Luke is a fraud as well!

no…just duped by Paul. Thankfully Luke records the words of Yeshua faithfully. Luke's account of Yeshua is in complete opposition to Paul's doctrines:

Luke is a Legitimate Gospel History

 

[Simplelogic]

again are you saying to not keep the 10

Of course not. I am saying we should keep MORE than the 10. The 10 are the premise of the whole Torah. It is all valid.

 

[BummerBeavis]

There are feast celebrations throughout the years. Sexual cleanliness laws, agricultural laws, Kosher laws and laws concerning how we relate to one another. All of these laws are easy to keep and can be kept right now.

Sacrifices and Temple service laws will be in place again when Yeshua comes back. Yeshua said the whole Torah will be in force until "heaven and earth pass away".

last time I read Yeshua said "commandments" there is not 613 commandments

 

[BummerBeavis]

Of course not. I am saying we should keep MORE than the 10. The 10 are the premise of the whole Torah. It is all valid.

dietary laws have been changed by Yeshua. just can't eat strangled or sacrificed to idols, contrary to what Paul taught

 

[Simplelogic]

dietary laws have been changed by Yeshua. just can't eat strangled or sacrificed to idols, contrary to what Paul taught

I disagree:

Peter

Did Yeshua pronounce all foods clean

 

[Simplelogic]

last time I read Yeshua said "commandments" there is not 613 commandments

I agree there isn't 613. This was just a made up number by Rabbi's interpretations. However there are many more laws which are still relevant which are outside of the 10.

 

[BummerBeavis]

So now you are saying that Luke is a fraud as well!

I am saying that Luke accuratly reported Paul's story changing many times about his conversion. Now Luke was not an apostle so you still have not responded to the fact that Yeshua and his real 12 apostles never confirmed paul as an apostle. Hell, are you ever going to address this or not?

 

[Robert.Evans]

There are feast celebrations throughout the years. Sexual cleanliness laws, agricultural laws, Kosher laws and laws concerning how we relate to one another. All of these laws are easy to keep and can be kept right now.

Sacrifices and Temple service laws will be in place again when Yeshua comes back. Yeshua said the whole Torah will be in force until "heaven and earth pass away".

But they are not if the Temple is not there is Yerushaliam and you are not there sacrificing. That means you are not keeping the Mosaic law.

I am not saying don't keep them, if you understand them,
; but you can't keep them all; so Paul was RIGHT!

 

[BummerBeavis]

He who does not love his brother does not belong to the lord..... what of that? Now you will say Paul, who was accepted in Acts 15 by the council at Yerushalaim is not your brother. You should think again.

And why just the 10.
What of the other laws?
Do you still sacrifice to a temple you can't get to and doesn't exist?

what does John say
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
exactly why do you want me to reject the 10 commandments?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I am saying that Luke accuratly reported Paul's story changing many times about his conversion. Now Luke was not an apostle so you still have not responded to the fact that Yeshua and his real 12 apostles never confirmed paul as an apostle. Hell, are you ever going to address this or not?

Does it matter than they did not? Really? It is the WORD OF GOD! Don't you understand that? I have heard of people ignoring certain passages, but to rip out the largest part of the NY is madness. You are disagreeing with the lord and God your own Father. How can that be right? Acts 15 shows you everything you need to know.

 

[Simplelogic]

But they are not if the Temple is not there is Yerushaliam and you are not there sacrificing. That means you are not keeping the Mosaic law.

I am not saying don't keep them, if you understand them,
; but you can't keep them all; so Paul was RIGHT!

So what. The Temple has been destroyed before. The Jewish people were scattered to Babylon and couldn't sacrifice. Do you think that God cursed everyone just because they weren't sacrificing? I hope not. He is a reasonable God who knows which laws we are able to keep in the place we are in. When the Messiah comes we will be keeping all of them, so you better get your mind right.

 

[BummerBeavis]

I have. I was rather thinking that perhaps you hadn't

I am not asking you to. You stated something, I am asking you to back up your remarks with references which you have not got. That makes me think you haven't got any

The 10 Words? Which ones?

The word of God says he is an apostle in Romans 1.
1 Cor 2 says he had a demonstration of power... something that accompanied apostels.
Now if you say that is through S-tan, why would the apostles at Yerushalaim accept him, WHICH THEY DID!
Acts 15.4 ''when they came to Yerushalaim they were WELCOMED by the calling and APOSTLES and elders.

Some Jews tried to kill Paul. Who killed Jesus?

At the council in Acts 15, they spoke with Paul, they listened to him, they gave him advice. They DID NOT SAY keep the Mosaic law/ Rather they gave him a watered down version. This was from James the leader and Petros (Peter).

In Galatians 2 they gave him the RIGHT HAND OF FELLOWSHIP.

He sent money to Yerushalaim. Does any of that sound as though he was classed as a liar or a fraud? There is the evidence. Where your is I don't know I'm sure.

SHOW ME WHERE ONE OF THE 12 APOSTLES OR YESHUA SAID PAUL IS AN APOSTLE AND WAS TRAINED BY YESHUA.

 

[Simplelogic]

Look at this verse about the Millennial kingdom:

Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. Zech 14:16

Uh oh….looks like YHVH still cares for His appointed feasts!

 

[Robert.Evans]

what does John say
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
exactly why do you want me to reject the 10 commandments?

I don't. But you are rejecting Paul, who was accepted by the lord. Anyway, we are now, at that point, talking about Christ's law, not the Mosaic. Paul himself (who you will ignore) says in the beg of Romans 8 or9 that the law is only any good for those who understand it