Payment for the border wall

[Nietzsche]

I gave you a purpose.

How fond are you of the New Deal programs, I wonder?

 

[esmith]

What purpose does the wall serve?
It will not keep out groups of Mexicans using tunnels to cross the border.

No, walls, nor fences will stop everyone. Even the Berlin wall didn't do that. However, fences and walls whether they are physical or not can and will reduce the number. In addition punishment for illegally entering the country, hiring illegals, harboring illegals, transporting illegals, overstaying ones visa can alter the decision of doing so.
Immigration reform must be done and securing the border must come first.

 

[McBell]

I gave you a purpose.

No, you simply sidestepped the question.

 

[Watchmen]

How fond are you of the New Deal programs, I wonder?

CCC was good. Social Security is good, but Congress needs to stop stealing that money.

 

[Watchmen]

No, you simply sidestepped the question.

I'll spell it out for you. America is at its best when its building things, so the purpose of the wall is to build something and to make America great again by doing so.

 

[Nietzsche]

CCC was good. Social Security is good, but Congress needs to stop stealing that money.

Fair enough. That's what the Great Wall of Trump will inevitably be. A make-work project that accomplishes nothing but making the Leader's hands(and I imagine another area) feel more adequate.

 

[fantome profane]

America is at its best when it is building things.

You could repair the roads and bridges, the highway tunnels, and the sewer systems. You could upgrade your electric grid and increase security there.

Or you could build a huge ugly pointless monument to racism.

Your choice.

 

[Watchmen]

You could repair the roads and bridges, the highway tunnels, and the sewer systems. You could upgrade your electric grid and increase security there.

Or you could build a huge ugly pointless monument to racism.

Your choice.

Either/or fallacy! You can do all of the above!

 

[fantome profane]

Either/or fallacy! You can do all of the above!

economics 101, we live in a world of limited resources. You always have to choose. Every dollar you spend on the wall is a dollar you don't spend somewhere else. And we are talking about 10 billion dollars at minimum, in a country that is trillions of dollars in debt. You can't afford to do it all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, walls, nor fences will stop everyone. Even the Berlin wall didn't do that. However, fences and walls whether they are physical or not can and will reduce the number. In addition punishment for illegally entering the country, hiring illegals, harboring illegals, transporting illegals, overstaying ones visa can alter the decision of doing so.
Immigration reform must be done and securing the border must come first.

Effective immigration reform is going to be a hellova lot cheaper than easier than a wall.

 

[Watchmen]

economics 101, we live in a world of limited resources. You always have to choose. Every dollar you spend on the wall is a dollar you don't spend somewhere else. And we are talking about 10 billion dollars at minimum, in a country that is trillions of dollars in debt. You can't afford to do it all.

We'll see.

 

[Scuba Pete]

However, fences and walls whether they are physical or not

will steal our collective souls. It makes us no better than Communist Russia or the Khmer Rouge. Why would you want that stain on our history? We're a country built on immigration... illegal immigration at that. Why not embrace? We can obviously absorb them as we already have. Let's make them legal and put them to real work!

 

[Scuba Pete]

Either/or fallacy! You can do all of the above!

Is it? We need to fix the infrastructure BEFORE we commit to paying for a wall. Let's fix the house before we add a fence.

 

[oldbadger]

'Great Wall' is taken. Anyway I was thinking that instead of making the Mexicans pay for it we could make college students pay for it, because its easier to collect from them. We're building it for future generations after all, so they should pay for it.

They could friggin' build it!
Just round up all the little s-ds before they can clear off on semesters and hols and truck 'em to the border. Gloves and boots issued and then........ chain gangs!

In their older years they can have 'Border-Gang' reunions!
(I was there, son, a Border-Ganger! )

 

[oldbadger]

Ok... They can build on side of the wall.

It's all pointless, of course.....

We've got Hadrian's wall, and another was built not far from it, but all those primitive Scots and Picts just come right on over the border, trying to flog haggis and cheap whiskey.

Thank the Good Lord that their football teams have their own league.

And them Welsh........... !!!!!
Oh, it's all too much......

 

[oldbadger]

What purpose does the wall serve?
It will not keep out groups of Mexicans using tunnels to cross the border.

Now now........ What's with all the negative vibrations..?

The digital World has extinguished thousands.... millions of jobs for human hands to do.

Self-Checkouts, ATMS, On-line banking. Shopping web-sites..... blah blah.

Soon we won't need shop-staff, bank-tellers, production line workers........ Hell, we won't need ANYBODY!

And Fat Rich Folks (FRFs) can scream about 'benefits wasters'!

But Mr Trump's Wall can at least employ a couple of brickies!

 

[oldbadger]

Is it? We need to fix the infrastructure BEFORE we commit to paying for a wall. Let's fix the house before we add a fence.

UIh?
Wot?

Excuse me, but the American people (ultimately) chose those two President-Elects. That's going to take decades to put right.

Might as well start on that wall right now.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What do you think the time table for funding via remittance action, taxes, tariffs, and fees would be? Instant? Come on. It is common sense that if we have to force Mexico to pay via American legislative action against economic interests of that country it would be deferred.

Using taxes on remittances to pay for a border wall wouldn't be "forcing Mexico to pay"; it would be forcing American citizens, immigrants, and temporary residents who happen to have family in Mexico to pay.

BTW: I may have been mistaken before: I can't find anything that explicitly says that taxing remittances to Mexico the way you suggest would be illegal... though I'm not about to go through the entire NAFTA treaty to confirm. So it isn't necessarily illegal; it may just be a very bad idea.

 

[Scuba Pete]

but the American people

No. Actually, the American people chose Clinton. The Electoral College chose Komrade Trumpsky.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Either/or fallacy! You can do all of the above!

"Can" is different from "will".

Without a ridiculous border wall, the US still has a huge infrastructure deficit:

2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure

Do you think the extra expense of a border wall will make it easier or harder to pay for infrastructure than it is now?