Peace on Earth?

[Tumah]

It is in acceptance that redemption is found.

Regards Tony

No, that is not redemption. Redemption is removing something from it's wrongful place and bringing it to it's rightful place. In this case, returning from our exile among the nations to the land of Israel.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No, that is not redemption. Redemption is removing something from it's wrongful place and bringing it to it's rightful place. In this case, returning from our exile among the nations to the land of Israel.

I hope you have your redemption.

Regards Tony

 

[Tumah]

I hope you have your redemption.

Regards Tony

I will, but I appreciate the sentiments.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There are only two Orthodox positions quoted (the Chabad one is not accepted by most Chabad people and non-Chabad) and they are not mutually exclusive.

There is no such possibility because it would be ridiculous for G-d to send us all these prophecies of hope, only to be so vague that an omniscient G-d causes us to be mistaken in their interpretation. G-d's not a fool and he's not trying to trick us. We are not Christians and we do not believe that G-d plays games like that.


I hope that some of these prophecies are beginning to be fulfilled in our times as this will point to the imminent arrival of the Messiah. But we won't know until it happens.

Yes, but they live within the same time-period and have different jobs. It's not two people bringing two separate redemptions, they're both part of the same redemption.


Yes, our Rabbis have power of authoritative interpretation. It was given to us, it is ours. Any interpretation that is sourced in our Oral Torah and does not contradict it, is true.

Doesn’t God test His people’s sincerity? For instance. If the Messiah told the Jews to obey Him and not the Rabbis who would you turn to?

I don’t think we can say God won’t do this or that because it is up to God to decide isn’t it? If He asked you to choose between your Rabbi and Him what would you do? Or if the Rabbi rejected the Messiah would you side with the Messiah or the Rabbi?

I believe these are ways God tests man like the golden calf. We make choices based upon sincerity.

And which passage of the Torah grants infallible authoritative interpretation to Rabbis? If you can provide the quote I would be grateful.

 

[Tumah]

Doesn’t God test His people’s sincerity?

Testing sincerity is not the same as tricking them.

For instance. If the Messiah told the Jews to obey Him and not the Rabbis who would you turn to?

The Rabbis. The Messiah is only a prophet and prophets don't have the capability to contradict the Torah, except on a temporary basis. So generally, if the Messiah had an opinion on the Law, it would only be in his capacity as a Rabbi as well. And the rule is that we follow the majority opinion in Jewish Law.

Also, we don't capitalize pronouns for the Messiah since he is not G-d.

I don’t think we can say God won’t do this or that because it is up to God to decide isn’t it?

G-d is unchanging and we already have the rules of His conduct.

If He asked you to choose between your Rabbi and Him what would you do? Or if the Rabbi rejected the Messiah would you side with the Messiah or the Rabbi?

It depends on the situation. There is no Law to accept the Messiah as being the Messiah. For that, we understand that the Messiah's messiahship will be so obvious having fulfilled all the prophecies, that no one would reject him. To the extent that if it was still possible to reject him, that wold call his messiahship into question. So if the majority of Rabbis don't accept the Messiah, than that means he's not the messiah. If one Rabbi doesn't accept the Messiah and all the others do, than that means the Rabbi might be suffering from mental illness.

If you're talking about with regards to the Law, then again that depends where we're holding. If it's after the Messiah is running the Sanhedrin, then it's forbidden for any Rabbi to go against the Sanhedrin at any time. If it's before then, then there is no requirement for any Rabbi who has been tested as competent in deliberating in Jewish Law to follow the opinion of a contemporary Rabbi.

I believe these are ways God tests man like the golden calf. We make choices based upon sincerity.

Of course we believe that G-d tests man too. But it is not through trickery.

And which passage of the Torah grants infallible authoritative interpretation to Rabbis? If you can provide the quote I would be grateful.

Deut. 17:11

 

[loverofhumanity]

Testing sincerity is not the same as tricking them.


The Rabbis. The Messiah is only a prophet and prophets don't have the capability to contradict the Torah, except on a temporary basis. So generally, if the Messiah had an opinion on the Law, it would only be in his capacity as a Rabbi as well. And the rule is that we follow the majority opinion in Jewish Law.

Also, we don't capitalize pronouns for the Messiah since he is not G-d.


G-d is unchanging and we already have the rules of His conduct.


It depends on the situation. There is no Law to accept the Messiah as being the Messiah. For that, we understand that the Messiah's messiahship will be so obvious having fulfilled all the prophecies, that no one would reject him. To the extent that if it was still possible to reject him, that wold call his messiahship into question. So if the majority of Rabbis don't accept the Messiah, than that means he's not the messiah. If one Rabbi doesn't accept the Messiah and all the others do, than that means the Rabbi might be suffering from mental illness.

If you're talking about with regards to the Law, then again that depends where we're holding. If it's after the Messiah is running the Sanhedrin, then it's forbidden for any Rabbi to go against the Sanhedrin at any time. If it's before then, then there is no requirement for any Rabbi who has been tested as competent in deliberating in Jewish Law to follow the opinion of a contemporary Rabbi.


Of course we believe that G-d tests man too. But it is not through trickery.


Deut. 17:11

Just want to wish you a happy Passover. God bless you, keep you and your family in good health and spirits.