Peace & Security or Sudden Destruction?

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think it's crazy to be calling peace and security for the Earth a bad thing.

IMHO, it's a truly insidious and dangerous aspect of many in the modern evangelical movement. ANY attempt at impriving global stability, be it diplomatic, technological, environmental, medical or monetary, is viewed with suspicion, and in some cases, even actively impeded, because it MIGHT be part of some satanic global government thing.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I suppose the point could be that 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 is the final result of people failing to respond to Jesus' teachings.
Run-afoul religion has created a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
As the current religious climate becomes closer and closer to Sodom and Gomorrah then it's God's time to act.
In the past, God used the political/military to act as His ' arm of the law ' such as when He used the Roman armies to go up against un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70.
With backing, today the United Nations can be strengthened to become God's modern-day ' arm of the law '.
Trouble-filled religion puts itself on the U.N. radar, so to speak, thus creating an anti-religious atmosphere in feelings and attitudes toward the religious world.
Because Christendom corresponds to old un-faithful Jerusalem is why she will be the first to attack .
Who knows, even a bad economy could make the wealth the churches have amassed look easy for the political taking.

I disagree with quite a bit of you exegesis, but I respect your opinion.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Allowing innocent people to be killed by a tyrant when one won't take actions to stop it is not "love" any more than not giving a person who's starving something to eat. If God is the same yesterday and today, then it makes no sense to me that God would order us to defend the innocent and then turn around later and say "nah, don't bother".

If everyone living on Earth today lived by God's Golden Rule we would have No tyrants.
I find what Jesus taught is found at Matthew 26:52 and Revelation 13:10 for Christians.
People are taught war = freedom, when war = capitalism.
If war was the answer then Jesus would have instructed his followers to fight wars.
Since Christians live all over the Earth, then one Christian living in one country could kill another Christian of another country as what happened in Christendom (apostate Christians) during the world wars.

What did you find innocent when Pres. Johnson escalated the Vietnam war.
Oh, yes he bought helicopter stock in his wife's name so his 'helicopter war would make profit.
Who called him a tyrant _________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

IMHO, it's a truly insidious and dangerous aspect of many in the modern evangelical movement. ANY attempt at impriving global stability, be it diplomatic, technological, environmental, medical or monetary, is viewed with suspicion, and in some cases, even actively impeded, because it MIGHT be part of some satanic global government thing.

I find some people think the 'spirit of the world' pervades and reflects the mind of Satan's propaganda.
The present modern-day religious system will Not end of its own accord.
As a thief is un-expected, then it will be unexpected when the 'powers that be' will be saying 'Peace and Security...' before they turn on the religious world -1 Thess. 5:2-3.

 

[Jose Fly]

I am wondering if you feel 'happily free' to never lock your house or car doors ________
If you lock any windows or doors then you are not really free.
I find many happy people do Not feel free to walk alone outside at night.
Does a wonderful family, great career, a happy-and-fun personal life also mean No spiritual life_______
One cousin in college said what really matters is having fun. Do what you want as long as it's fun.
One happily married young couple could Not stop the young wife from suffering years with cancer before death.
So, to me just being happy with a wonderful family, etc. does Not guarantee it will end up that way.
I wonder how happy the people now living in war-torn areas are_______
I wonder how happy are the people in Venezuela with food shortages _______
I was' happy as a lark', then when one day an older gentleman said to me," I have good news for you."
Then he read me Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that the 'Earth abides forever'.
That stopped me in my tracks because school taught me the opposite that Earth will be destroyed.
Church also taught me the opposite that Earth will be destroyed. So, I knew both can't be right.
I was very happy to want to know more why the Bible was saying the opposite of school and church.
And WOW! am I happy I continued to search the Bible and research the Scriptures as the people of Acts 17:11.
Righteous mankind does Not suck. Revelation 7:9 lets us know a great multitude, a great crowd will survive the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
Saying ' great ' in my mind means more than a small number.
What sucks are the self-centered people who have a distorted form of love as 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 describes.
What does Not suck are the people who display Christ-like love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.
Mankind's history shows man can't establish Peace on Earth, so God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth.

It amazes me how as soon as someone makes it known that they're happy and have a good life, religious folks come along and try to convince them otherwise.

 

[metis]

But, they don't believe in innocence except for their own. That is the reason they preach. It is to convert people to their own form of innocence.

And, to me, it's also saying "I'm not going to help others in desperate need of protection because I want to get 'saved'".

 

[metis]

If everyone living on Earth today lived by God's Golden Rule we would have No tyrants.

But the reality is that there are tyrants, so the next point is whether we are going to let innocent people to get killed by tyrants? I vote "no" if I can help it.

What did you find innocent when Pres. Johnson escalated the Vietnam war.

I was totally opposed to the Vietnam "War" on moral grounds, and my wife and I had plans to go to live in Canada if I were to get drafted.

 

[nPeace]

Global homicide and violence rates are at an all time low. This isn't the apocalypse you're looking for

My information is wrong, do you mean? Could you point out where please?

The information shows a steady increase in violent homicides globally.
Even though some countries had a decrease, some countries are seeing an increase.

Murder rate in the US - 1960-2016

Perhaps your argument is that compared to Year X, it is low, but then you might want to say what Year X is, because it may well be different to the year I look at.
However, I am not sure what is the point you are making with your last statement.
Perhaps you can elaborate.

So you know, I never said this is the apocalypse. I don't know when exactly that will occur, nor do I know the day or hour, when they will be saying "Peace and Security". However, I do believe it is imminent.

 

[Oeste]

With backing, today the United Nations can be strengthened to become God's modern-day ' arm of the law '.

Wow!

All through out Watchtower history, the UN was the spawn of Satan, now "with backing", it's the arm of God!

Here's the 1963 Watchtower:

"the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up ... the United Nations, ... This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship."
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The Watchtower quietly joined the UN in 1992 as an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information. This meant "by accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities "

They remained as an NGO for nearly 10 years, abruptly withdrawing when a British newspaper, The Guardian, published a report exposing the relationship. After all, how can you have Jehovah's only true religion supporting and respecting the Wild Beast of Revelation?

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Are they considering reapplying or have they already reapplied?

Also, can you tell us exactly what kind of backing is required to make the Wild Beast "God's modern-day 'arm of the law'?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

My information is wrong, do you mean? Could you point out where please?

The information shows a steady increase in violent homicides globally.
Even though some countries had a decrease, some countries are seeing an increase.

Murder rate in the US - 1960-2016

Perhaps your argument is that compared to Year X, it is low, but then you might want to say what Year X is, because it may well be different to the year I look at.
However, I am not sure what is the point you are making with your last statement.
Perhaps you can elaborate.

So you know, I never said this is the apocalypse. I don't know when exactly that will occur, nor do I know the day or hour, when they will be saying "Peace and Security". However, I do believe it is imminent.

They look pretty declining to me. And of course you believe it is imminent. People like you always do. Never mind the fact people just as sincere as you have been making the exact same claim for thousands of years, this time I'm sure YOU'RE right.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Wow!

All through out Watchtower history, the UN was the spawn of Satan, now "with backing", it's the arm of God!

Here's the 1963 Watchtower:

"the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up ... the United Nations, ... This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship."
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The Watchtower quietly joined the UN in 1992 as an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information. This meant "by accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities "

They remained as an NGO for nearly 10 years, abruptly withdrawing when a British newspaper, The Guardian, published a report exposing the relationship. After all, how can you have Jehovah's only true religion supporting and respecting the Wild Beast of Revelation?

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Are they considering reapplying or have they already reapplied?

Also, can you tell us exactly what kind of backing is required to make the Wild Beast "God's modern-day 'arm of the law'?

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I guess? After 70 odd years of claiming the UN is some evil boogeyman about to destroy us all, when nothing actually happens, you have to change the narrative.

The trick, of course, is to change it without the followers noticing you changed it. Fortunately these guys are well practiced at such changes, and have the followers so well trained that if an outsider tries to point out or question these blatant doctrinal about turns, the outsider is the one who ends up vilified and attacked.

 

[nPeace]

Wow!

All through out Watchtower history, the UN was the spawn of Satan, now "with backing", it's the arm of God!

Here's the 1963 Watchtower:

"the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up ... the United Nations, ... This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship."
​

The Watchtower quietly joined the UN in 1992 as an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information. This meant "by accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities "

They remained as an NGO for nearly 10 years, abruptly withdrawing when a British newspaper, The Guardian, published a report exposing the relationship. After all, how can you have Jehovah's only true religion supporting and respecting the Wild Beast of Revelation?

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Source

Are they considering reapplying or have they already reapplied?

Also, can you tell us exactly what kind of backing is required to make the Wild Beast "God's modern-day 'arm of the law'?

Thanks for the info. It was helpful, since I was looking for info to help me see what the fuss was over the Watchtower Society and NGO. Now I see what people are fussing about.

Department of Public Information
The Department reports annually to the UN General Assembly's Committee on Information, which is responsible for overseeing our work and providing guidance on policies, programmes and activities.

Mission
The Department of Global Communications is dedicated to communicating the ideals and work of the United Nations to the world; to interacting and partnering with diverse audiences; and to building support for peace, sustainable development and human rights for all. Inform. Engage. Act.

I don't see a reason for the fuss, but that's just me.
I don't vote, and don't get involved in politics, but the government regulates my taxes. I am also required to be a part of programs run by, and authorized by the government.
For example,I went to school - not a private one, and I registered in, and for programs run by and owned by the government.

I am not propping them up, nor involved with them.
I don't see reason for the fuss.

Besides, they made it clear in the article, you quoted, and many other publications what will be the outcome of the beast.
They are not working contrary to that.

 

[Deeje]

The Watchtower quietly joined the UN in 1992 as an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information. This meant "by accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities "

Do you value the truth Oeste? We do, and all the information we gather we try to get from the 'horse's mouth' so to speak. First of all an NGO is a "NON-Government Organization", which is what we were. Secondly did you miss what our association with the UN was for? We were "an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information." Becoming a member in this respect allowed my brothers access to information from the UN itself.

The charter stated that it was a "commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities". And that is exactly what we did. There was no worship of the 'beast'...only getting information that was as accurate as possible.

Do you even read what you post?

 

[Oeste]

Do you value the truth Oeste? We do, and all the information we gather we try to get from the 'horse's mouth' so to speak.

Of course you do.

What did the Organization tell us about this "horse's mouth"?

John in vision also sees that the croaking froglike “expressions inspired by demons,” which go out to “the kings of the entire inhabited earth,” come from the mouth of the Dragon, or Satan, as well as out of the mouths of “the wild beast” and “the false prophet.”​

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We were "an NGO with the United Nations Department of Public Information." Becoming a member in this respect allowed my brothers access to information from the UN itself.

Another way to put this is as follows:

We were "an NGO with the United Nations the Wild Beast's Department of Public Information." Becoming a member in this respect allowed my brothers access to information from the UN Wild Beast itself."

The charter stated that it was a "commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities". And that is exactly what we did.

Or, more appropriately:

The charter stated that it was a "commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN the Wild Beast's activities". And that is exactly what we did.

There was no worship of the 'beast'...

Of course not.

only getting information that was as accurate as possible.

Where else would God's sole channel of communication and truth today go for "information that was accurate as possible"?

Do you even read what you post?

Yes, do you?

 

[Oeste]

I don't see reason for the fuss.

See above. I think you'l see the reason for the fuss.

 

[savagewind]

Where else would God's sole channel of communication and truth today go for "information that was accurate as possible"?

I know! God's Holy Spirit.

 

[savagewind]

See above. I think you'l see the reason for the fuss.

You do? Have you not noticed that they have been made blind?

 

[savagewind]

The first 'food at the proper time' that caused my head to turn (as a Jehovah's Witness) was the so called Bible teaching that JWs are taught that none of the servants of God who came before Jesus did and who actually heard from God's Spirit will ever be in Heaven with Christ. But, they heard from God! Now, it seems that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses does not hear from God. They need to be in tune with The Beast to know stuff that I am sure God knows.

 

[nPeace]

See above. I think you'l see the reason for the fuss.

No I don't. See my post.

 

[Oeste]

I don't see reason for the fuss.

See above. I think you'l see the reason for the fuss.

You do? Have you not noticed that they have been made blind?

Rather than answer this myself, I suggest we let a JW answer it:

I don't see reason for the fuss.

See above. I think you'l see the reason for the fuss.

No I don't. See my post

That's disappointing @nPeace, but at the very least I believe your response to be truthful.

In any event, it answers the question from @savagewind