Peaceful transfer of Power.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Oh...OK....simultaneously....
1) Continue the formal process of counting votes
& inaugurating Biden.
2) Invoke the 25th Amendment.
3) Improve security in all venues subject to MAGA attacks.
4) Arrest & prosecute all wrongdoers.

Naturally, I hope you include Donald Trump in your 4th point. I certainly do.

I have heard the argument about turning him into a "martyr" for his followers, which would only make things worse. I don't buy that for an instant. I don't buy it because if you want to be "a nation of laws," then upholding the law is the minimum price you have to pay.

I also don't buy it for the same reason that I don't believe that terrorist kidnappers should be paid ransom for the return of those kidnapped. That only gives them reason to do it again. It is surely a tragic thing, and I would hate to be the decision maker in such a situation, but I believe it is the only possible decision.

 

[Revoltingest]

Naturally, I hope you include Donald Trump in your 4th point. I certainly do.

25th Amendment is more necessary because of the
national security threat Trump poses to Ameristan.

I have heard the argument about turning him into a "martyr" for his followers, which would only make things worse. I don't buy that for an instant. I don't buy it because if you want to be "a nation of laws," then upholding the law is the minimum price you have to pay.

I also don't buy it for the same reason that I don't believe that terrorist kidnappers should be paid ransom for the return of those kidnapped. That only gives them reason to do it again. It is surely a tragic thing, and I would hate to be the decision maker in such a situation, but I believe it is the only possible decision.

We shouldn't decline to prosecute wrongdoers
just because of the martyrdom problem.
Otherwise, we'd give'm license to do anything.

 

[Windwalker]

Naturally, I hope you include Donald Trump in your 4th point. I certainly do.

I have heard the argument about turning him into a "martyr" for his followers, which would only make things worse. I don't buy that for an instant. I don't buy it because if you want to be "a nation of laws," then upholding the law is the minimum price you have to pay.

I also don't buy it for the same reason that I don't believe that terrorist kidnappers should be paid ransom for the return of those kidnapped. That only gives them reason to do it again. It is surely a tragic thing, and I would hate to be the decision maker in such a situation, but I believe it is the only possible decision.

I completely agree Trump needs to be held accountable to the rule of law, and inciting mob violence against the government, is a criminal action. Trump lit the fuse. He needs to be tried in a court of law.

One look at the front page of the paper edition of the NY Times today, records it for history to remember this dark day in America:

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Just to gloat a little, here's something that I posted just before the election of 2016

This “anger” that everybody thinks is being expressed in America during this election is something that is very likely going to really, really hurt the nation, rather than make it “great again.” Do not, in all conscience do not forget the French Revolution – you do not want to see a “terror” like that, and I predict that it is coming, if y’all don’t get a handle on your emotions and start thinking with your brain-pans.

As a Canadian, watching from the sidelines (good seats, though!), I can’t tell you how depressing this entire election is. I’ve lost a lot of respect for Americans in general – and yes, I know that’s a harsh thing to say, but those candidates are an expression of what everyday Americans did during the primaries. There were choices – lots of them – and I suspect (I won’t speculate because I’m a foreigner) many of them were better bets, overall.

But when we finally get to the comparison between the two candidates you’ve got – Clinton and Trump – the choice isn’t even marginally challenging. Hillary by 10 miles, toss Trump. The man is an ignoramus, while the woman at least knows her stuff concerning domestic and foreign policy. For every lie that Hillary has told during the campaign (and yes, there have been some), the “fact checkers” have identified a minimum of 7 lies by Donald. One Canadian fact checker has identified more than 430 flat-out lies told by Trump during the primaries and the campaign.

Hillary has a wealth of public service experience, Donald has experience serving himself.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy multiple times – and in each and every one of those times, his shareholders and his workers have suffered major consequences, while “the Donald” got richer. Think he cares about Americans? It is to laugh, Donald cares about Donald.

Granted, Hillary isn’t perfect. Granted she moves, sometimes crab-like, in the corridors of power. But you do not know, and should be terrified to guess, what you will get with Trump.

This “anger” that everybody thinks is being expressed in America during this election is something that is very likely going to really, really hurt the nation, rather than make it “great again.” Do not, in all conscience do not forget the French Revolution – you do not want to see a “terror” like that, and I predict that it is coming, if y’all don’t get a handle on your emotions and start thinking with your brain-pans.

 

[Watchmen]

Where were you when right-wingers broke into the Michigan Capitol and tried to kidnap the governor?

I was condemning them. Duh.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

That's not the situation addressed in the 25th Amendment.

The 25th Amendment is for cases where the President is unable to do the job. Trump isn't unable to do the job; he's able, but just not willing to do it competently. He's also apparently both able and willing to misuse his office.

If removal is what's needed, there's a different mechanism for it: impeachment.

Trump's behaviour over the last few days is a matter of malicious intent, not incompetence.

This is why he should have been impeached a long time ago. First for obstructing Mueller and then again for what he did in the Ukraine scandal.

Instead, spineless enablers in the Trump Party like Senator Susan Collins acquitted him without even a trial because “he learned his lesson”.

No, he didn’t. And now he’s left a stain on our democracy that can never fully go away. Now that Trump has betrayed everyone, now that he’s finally clearly lost power, now that violence has already occurred and stained our democratic process forever ... only now, that it’s too late, do they finally put America First.

Shame on them all.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

And now he condemns his supporters for doing what he told them to do.
Of course most will believe he was forced to turn on them.
But as usual it is just about him trying to salvage his position and save face.
He is just passing the buck.
They have always been his tools, beyond that they mean nothing to him.