pedophilia and pederasty - our new sexual orientation

[SomeRandom]

I don't know if people who are attracted to children have an orientation between male or female. I don't feel age influences which sex one is attracted to. So, I guess it depends? I've never heard of someone whose a heterosexual pedophile.

I don't believe attraction has a "big" reason to exist. Maybe companionship, procreation, things of that nature. When I think fetish, I think of objects and weird play during sexual activities not the age and sex of the person with whom one is attracted to. I'm not sure why some people are attracted to adult males, some adult females, some older people, and some younger people and so forth. Attraction doesn't hurt anyone and in the general sense of the word isn't a predominate source for the "act" of molestation.

When I think of child molestation, I don't think of attraction but sexual abuse. Anyone can sexually abuse a child. Whether that person is attracted to that child is irrelevant. I read in a police report awhile back when people can't tell the difference between child molester and someone whose attracted to children. It said most people they arrest for child abuse aren't actually attracted (as in having sexual bond/emotional/physical) with children. So fetish, I "guess" is a good word, now I think about it. That or maybe lust.

I actually do think that’s a thing. There’s exclusive pedophilia, opportunistic pedophilia and I forget what the other category is called, but it’s when a pedophile also has an adult sexual orientation. Which may or may not line up with their other ahem “preferences” for lack of a better word

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I actually do think that’s a thing. There’s exclusive pedophilia, opportunistic pedophilia and I forget what the other category is called, but it’s when a pedophile also has an adult sexual orientation. Which may or may not line up with their other ahem “preferences” for lack of a better word

I wonder, though, how does the age someone make attraction to male, female (both, or none), change whether it's considered an orientation, fetish, or immoral behavior?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I wonder, though, how does the age someone make attraction to male, female (both, or none), change whether it's considered an orientation, fetish, or immoral behavior?

I'm jumping in without reading the entirety of the thread, so forgive me if I missed context, but...

A fetish is basically just identification of sexual behavior that is outside the 'norm'. It doesn't speak to the legality (or morality) of that behaviour.
Immoral is a judgement on any behaviour. For some, the fact that I had sex with my wife before marriage is 'immoral', but it's not a fetish.
Whilst orientation is speaking to what I find attractive, at a fairly simplistic level (so...I would say more what I 'normally' find attractive).

I'm sure people can provide better definitions, but that's my somewhat broad-brush response.
So, I'm heterosexual (orientation) and acted immoral in the eyes of some (but, importantly, not myself or my wife) by sleeping with her before marriage.
Neither of these speak to whether either of us holds any particular fetishes, and I think I'll stop things there.

Age, in general terms, would speak to the ability of a partner to consent. We use age as a measure so that we end up with an enforceable law, but of course the reality of consent is that it varies from person to person in terms of age and maturity.

If I liked girls who looked young, but ensured they were always 18, then the assumption (rightly or wrongly) is that I'm trying to ensure there is informed consent, but I have a fetish for younger girls.
(Not my thing, just talking in the abstract here)

 

[SomeRandom]

I wonder, though, how does the age someone make attraction to male, female (both, or none), change whether it's considered an orientation, fetish, or immoral behavior?

I’m not entirely sure.
I know there’s distinctions between prepubescent attraction (pedophilia) and barely pubescent (hebephilia)
I also know that such attractions may or may not line up with the adult sexual attractions, if the person has both. Some don’t, some do.
I also know there was a study a while back that found that heterosexual men responded sexually to very youthful femininity, let’s just say, at quite a high rate.
But how those interact with each other specifically, I’m not educated enough on the subject to say

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm jumping in without reading the entirety of the thread, so forgive me if I missed context, but...

A fetish is basically just identification of sexual behavior that is outside the 'norm'. It doesn't speak to the legality (or morality) of that behaviour.
Immoral is a judgement on any behaviour. For some, the fact that I had sex with my wife before marriage is 'immoral', but it's not a fetish.
Whilst orientation is speaking to what I find attractive, at a fairly simplistic level (so...I would say more what I 'normally' find attractive).

I'm sure people can provide better definitions, but that's my somewhat broad-brush response.
So, I'm heterosexual (orientation) and acted immoral in the eyes of some (but, importantly, not myself or my wife) by sleeping with her before marriage.
Neither of these speak to whether either of us holds any particular fetishes, and I think I'll stop things there.

Age, in general terms, would speak to the ability of a partner to consent. We use age as a measure so that we end up with an enforceable law, but of course the reality of consent is that it varies from person to person in terms of age and maturity.

If I liked girls who looked young, but ensured they were always 18, then the assumption (rightly or wrongly) is that I'm trying to ensure there is informed consent, but I have a fetish for younger girls.
(Not my thing, just talking in the abstract here)

That makes sense. The question/comment proposed (filling in the discussion blanks) is how age and sexual orientation relate. A lot of people are comfortable or tolerant with an adult with whom is homosexual. However, they look at someone whose attracted to children (both attraction based on the object of the attraction not the behaviors either may or may not commit) as child abusers and homosexuals (today) just people attracted to the same sex.

I'm sure the body doesn't tell the difference between morality of attraction based on age, genitals, et cetera. I disagree that pedophilia is a fetish (as compared the other commenter). But it's not something I really look into (who wants to?) to really know if just because a predominate amount of people who child abuse have sex with children (kind of like predominate people who are homosexual have same-sex sex) doesn't exclude the fallacy that majority doesn't mean fact. We now know this with homosexuality but not with pedophilia.

Something to think about only on this thread. Outside of that, I'm ready for sleep.

 

[The Hammer]

So says a school district in California:

Who knows, maybe the next step is that it is a bigotry if you don't agree?

I say let's be Mature and have the discussions already.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

I don't feel age influences which sex one is attracted to.

I don’t feel so either. I think it’s the inner and outer forces that acts upon us that influences which sex one is attract to [among other things]. I personally feel it’s our desires and experiences, which are mostly born through our environment, that influences which sex [and age etc.] one is attracted to. This is just a hypothesis I am making right now, but perhaps we are all inherently bisexual and it’s just that our feeling towards the same gender is dormant for now? What if something happens that activates it and we feel attraction towards the same gender under certain circumstances?

I don't know if people who are attracted to children have an orientation between male or female. So, I guess it depends? I've never heard of someone whose a heterosexual pedophile.

I’ve never heard of heterosexual pedophiles either, which is why I feel like it is most likely a fetish.

I don't believe attraction has a "big" reason to exist. Maybe companionship, procreation, things of that nature.

I personally don’t think pedophiles desires children mainly for the sake of companionship, procreation and such things. They mostly have lustful urges and sexual attraction towards children. Sure, they may form and/or seek to form companionship and procreate, but it’s not their primary desire. Their primary desire is sexual gratification.

When I think fetish, I think of objects and weird play during sexual activities not the age and sex of the person with whom one is attracted to.

This is the only time I disagree with you. I didn’t wanted to get into this subject as I feel like it is quite unethical to do so. However, I’ll share an example. Think about it this way, I knew of a [religious] couple who were into cuckoldery, threesomes, swinging, orgies and such things. These are also fetishes. Who is to say pedophilia is also a kind of fetish?

I’ll share couple of more examples [for age and gender aspect of changing of sexual orientation with times] --- A friend of mine, when he was younger [around my age], he used to desire older women [and had little desire for amateurs]. Now, as he older [in his 50s], he desires younger women more than older women. Another example is of an old female acquaintance of mine [I am no longer in contact with her]. She was strictly straight and never felt sexual attraction towards women before. However, she talked about an instance how under certain circumstances, she felt attraction towards women [I can’t recall exactly what happened, but she was extremely aroused by certain female due to something happened between them by accident]. She became bi-curious right there, and who is to say her sexual orientation won’t change from being straight to bisexual under such [more intense, maybe?] circumstances? Who is to say that bisexual desires and experiences [born from most likely her environment] won’t change her sexual orientation?

I wanted to share my own personal sexual fetish to elaborate further, but I don’t think I will because I don’t want anyone to think negatively of me. I don’t want to freak people out as this is a very taboo subject and my personal fetish is very, VERY taboo as well, and will only do so if someone asks me to do so.

Like I said [and personally feel is true] --- People change, so do their sexual orientation.

I'm not sure why some people are attracted to adult males, some adult females, some older people, and some younger people and so forth. Attraction doesn't hurt anyone and in the general sense of the word isn't a predominate source for the "act" of molestation.

When I think of child molestation, I don't think of attraction but sexual abuse. Anyone can sexually abuse a child. Whether that person is attracted to that child is irrelevant. I read in a police report awhile back when people can't tell the difference between child molester and someone whose attracted to children. It said most people they arrest for child abuse aren't actually attracted (as in having sexual bond/emotional/physical) with children. So fetish, I "guess" is a good word, now I think about it. That or maybe lust.

I agree with you here [like I mostly agreed with most that you said]. And that is why I think pedophilia is not sexual orientation, for all the pre-requisite for it to be sexual orientation is absent. I personally feel like it’s just a fetish, albeit a very, VERY strong one.

I wanted to comment more on the other post of your's, but this topic is becoming too sexual and unethical, so I'll drop it for now.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would like some psychiatrist to explain me in detail what is in pedophiles' mind.
There must be something weird in their brain that pushes them to feel sexually attracted to prepubescent persons.
There is no justification, imho.

 

[The Hammer]

I would like some psychiatrist to explain me in detail what is in pedophiles' mind.
There must be something weird in their brain that pushes them to feel sexually attracted to prepubescent persons.
There is no justification, imho.

Usually there is no "justification", they are just sick. It is typically a continuation of abuse they too suffered at the hands of an adult when they were a child.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

Usually there is no "justification", they are just sick. It is typically a continuation of abuse they too suffered at the hands of an adult when they were a child.

Which, once again, backs up what I said about sexual orientation changing. Let me paraphrase my personal belief with such pedophiles in question who themselves were abused --- I think it’s the inner and outer forces that acts upon the pedophiles that influences him/her towards sexual attraction towards children [among other things]. I personally feel it’s sexual desires and experiences related to children, which are mostly born through their environment where they were abused themselves, that influences attraction towards children

 

[Estro Felino]

Which, once again, backs up what I said about sexual orientation changes. Let me paraphrase my personal belief with such pedophiles in question who themselves were abused --- I think it’s the inner and outer forces that acts upon the pedophiles that influences him/her towards sexual attraction towards children [among other things]. I personally feel it’s sexual desires and experiences related to children, which are mostly born through their environment where they were abused themselves, that influences attraction towards children

I am not a psychiatrist but....maybe is it because they unconsciously see themselves as children?
So when they see a child, their mind recognizes them as an equal.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

Perhaps. Or maybe there's a wounded inner child inside their subconscious and he/she wants to lash out at others? Or, maybe they think there's nothing wrong with it since it happened with them as well? Or maybe they internalize it after it is done to them?

I don't know.

 

[Estro Felino]

Perhaps. Or maybe there's a wounded inner child inside their subconscious and he/she wants to lash out at others? Or, maybe they think there's nothing wrong with it since it happened with them as well? Or maybe they internalize it after it is done to them?

I don't know.

I don't think that it happens to abused children only...as if it were a restless victim-perpetrator vicious cycle.

I believe, au contraire...that the passage from childhood to puberty has been unhealthy for these people (for a thousand of different reasons, other than sexual abuse).
Of course this is just my personal opinion...I have studied criminology just as supplementary course...and I recall I read something like that in the chapter regarding the crimes of sexual nature.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

I agree with you, they don't necessarily have to be abused. But they far more likely have suffered harm, one way or another. Whether the harm was sexual, physical, emotional, financial, social, spiritual etc., it doesn't matter I think. Many other things can do just as much harm [if not more] to human psyche as abuse. Physical and sexual abuse aside, emotional torment, neglect, humiliation etc. etc. etc. can be just as detrimental. Abuse is just kind of harm, there are MANY kind of ways one can harm others. Even early exposure to violence itself can mess an individual up psychologically.

I feel like maybe they, one way or another, suffer some harm which messed them up psychology and they develop such fetishes.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

This reminds me of the movie "Silence of the Lambs."

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

Also, "The Cell" starring Jennifer Lopez.

 

[Estro Felino]

This reminds me of the movie "Silence of the Lambs."

That movie is really scary and disturbing.

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

For those who haven't seen The Cell, check out the psychology of the villain in it [maybe it is analogous to pedophiles, the traumas and childhood experience, and eventual rise of twisted desires resulting from these unfortunate events, and their psychology]:

Carl Rudolph Stargher

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

That movie is really scary and disturbing.

Unfortunately, reality is far more messed up. Many people told me how disturbing Silence of The Lambs, The Cell [and many other] were before recommending me to watch it. And very unfortunately, I didn't even flinched. Let alone be disturbed. But then again, this is coming from a guy who has experience far worse things in real life as a child. I was already hardened to my core when I was barely in my two digits.

 

[leroy]

A grownup with a predominant sexual interest in children has a sexual orientation. What else is it? A preference for animals is also an orientation. Whatever your preferred partner is that is your orientation. It doesn't matter what you think of it. Instead of demonising, perhaps we should humanise.

Well a preference for children (and animals) are orientations I dont think yhis is even controversial...... people cant control their sexual attractions

Obviously this doesn't mean that "therefore one can rape children" pedofiles are expected to control their sexual desires and learn to live with their condition.