Pedophilic Culture

[Kooky]

Now we are talking.
That is a list of some useful tips. And it contains exactly what I was proposing:



Teaching potential victims not to become actual ones.
And that should be the first step - and the last if you're told to **** off. You should be sure that your actions are in line with the interests of the potential "victim" who may or may not know what they are doing and may or may not be OK with what is going on. "Helping" can be a very condescending thing.
Agree?

One of the major items one of the articles brings up is asking individuals if they are okay.
How on Earth did you take away from that an attitude of condescension towards potential victims?

 

[Kooky]

I never said anything to the contrary. Like you, I'm all for preventing rape. We just differ on the methods. (Well, I proposed a method while you oppose that proposal. You haven't proposed a method by yourself.)

No, we differ in the way we approach the problem - whether this is a problem that befalls specific individuals - and therefore, it is fundamentally their resposibility to avoid it - or whether it is a societal problem that can only thrive because we as a community either ignore or passively accept it. My point is that victimization is something that falls on the shoulders of an entire extended community, not just the individuals who are suffering from it.
As the RAINN articles stress, everyone has a responsibility to prevent rape, not just the would be victim.

 

[Heyo]

No, we differ in the way we approach the problem - whether this is a problem that befalls specific individuals - and therefore, it is fundamentally their resposibility to avoid it - or whether it is a societal problem that can only thrive because we as a community either ignore or passively accept it. My point is that victimization is something that falls on the shoulders of an entire extended community, not just the individuals who are suffering from it.
As the RAINN articles stress, everyone has a responsibility to prevent rape, not just the would be victim.

Again, nothing I ever objected. My objection was to "teaching women to prevent rape is rape culture". That is excluding women from the discussion. I never said that teaching women is all that is necessary - by far not. It is just one piece of the puzzle.

 

[Kooky]

Again, nothing I ever objected. My objection was to "teaching women to prevent rape is rape culture". That is excluding women from the discussion. I never said that teaching women is all that is necessary - by far not. It is just one piece of the puzzle.

So you objected to a strawman.

 

[Heyo]

So you objected to a strawman.

Pedophilic Culture

 

[Kooky]

Pedophilic Culture

Example of Victim-Blaming Attitude: “She must have provoked him into being abusive. They both need to change.”

Reality: This statement assumes that the victim is equally to blame for the abuse, when in reality, abuse is a conscious choice made by the abuser. Abusers have a choice in how they react to their partner’s actions. Options besides abuse include: walking away, talking in the moment, respectfully explaining why an action is frustrating, breaking up, etc. Additionally, abuse is not about individual actions that incite the abuser to hurt his partner, but rather about the abuser’s feelings of entitlement to do whatever he wants to his partner.

Emphasis mine.

Note how this relates to your assertion that rape victims are "doing everything to help" rapists, literally putting the responsibility of rape on both sides of the equation.

Can you see how this could be taken as blaming the victim?
Are you deliberately pushing this viewpoint into the realm of ridiculous hyperbole?
Do you really not see the harm this attitude could cause?

 

[Heyo]

Emphasis mine.

Note how this relates to your assertion that rape victims are "doing everything to help" rapists, literally putting the responsibility of rape on both sides of the equation.

Can you see how this could be taken as blaming the victim?
Are you deliberately pushing this viewpoint into the realm of ridiculous hyperbole?
Do you really not see the harm this attitude could cause?

Can you please, for once, stay on topic?
You accused me of fighting a straw man, I provided the context. Are we through with that topic? Do you agree that my first response (#31) to the list posted by @Windwalker (#10) was not a straw man?

 

[Kooky]

Can you please, for once, stay on topic?
You accused me of fighting a straw man, I provided the context.

And the context was that you took a statement out of context and stretched it into ridiculous hyperbole, while completely missing its actual point on purpose. This thread has been a bad faith treatment of sexual assault victims from top to bottom and you've been one major contributor to that.

 

[Heyo]

And the context was that you took a statement out of context and stretched it into ridiculous hyperbole, while completely missing its actual point on purpose. This thread has been a bad faith treatment of sexual assault victims from top to bottom and you've been one major contributor to that.

Can you cite the context I missed? In @Windwalker's post or the thread that lead to the post?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How horrible that this thread became so off-topic. Y'all need to move this discussion to another thread.

 

[Kooky]

Can you cite the context I missed? In @Windwalker's post or the thread that lead to the post?

I quoted it in Post #146

 

[Heyo]

I quoted it in Post #146

I guess @Saint Frankenstein is right. You have the fixed idea that

This thread has been a bad faith treatment of sexual assault victims from top to bottom and you've been one major contributor to that.

I don't see a way to convince you otherwise. So let's end this here.

 

[Kooky]

How horrible that this thread became so off-topic. Y'all need to move this discussion to another thread.

I'm sure you'll soon find another opportunity to be outraged over "woke SJWs"