Pelosi says Trump is trying to ‘Make America White Again’ with census question

[Enoch07]

And that every citizen is on that register automatically.

Long as they are a citizen and over 18 years old I'm fine with it. Nothing else about them matters.

 

[Curious George]

The Socialist Democrats already started it last year.

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

It's clearly been the intention all along to milk in more votes for them and tactfully entrench themselves so they cannot get removed from office so easily.

Classic socialist Democrat Playbook, revised Edition.

Local election is not the federal. And what here says this is what Democrats want?

 

[Curious George]

Aliens and Voter Fraud

To sum it up basically. Because a lot of states don't differentiate between citizen and non citizen when obtaining a driver license, non-citizens have been registering to vote when the get a driving license. Even though legally they are not allowed to vote because they are not citizens, this loophole has been used to procure non-citizen votes.

Hence why the citizenship question needs to be on the census to help us sort this out. Or some other law like a voter I.D. card which proves you are a citizen. Both of these options have been repeatedly denounced by Dems over the years under the ruse of racism.

But the fact is it's a loophole the Dems have been taking advantage of and they don't want to give it up.

Anyways if you don't see how allowing non-citizens into the inner workings of our govt is a bad idea there's nothing more I can say. Looks like treason to me.

As much as the Dems worried about Russian interference in elections then to go on and promote the idea of non-citizens being on the inside of govt says a lot about their own hypocrisy.

You really go for that propaganda don't you?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Local election is not the federal. And what here says this is what Democrats want?

It's still an election of public officials and yes it's pretty obvious for purposes of entrenchment and creating* dependency to guarantee long-term voting in their favor that the Socialist Democrats would eagerly want this.

And the left has the sheer gall to accuse other countries of interfering in elections while they at the same time allow foreign illegals to vote?

Local or not, it doesn't make any difference. An election is an election and I can't see how this could ever be made legal which to me would be along the same lines as committing an act of treason by allowing illegal foreigners to come in and manipulate elections that are only meant for legal citizens.

*Manipulation would be more accurate.

 

[Enoch07]

You really go for that propaganda don't you?

Data and facts brother.

 

[Curious George]

It's still an election of public officials and yes it's pretty obvious for purposes of entrenchment and creating* dependency to guarantee long-term voting in their favor that the Socialist Democrats would eagerly want this.

This is one of those times a sentence starts with "obviously" or "clearly," yet the conclusion is neither obvious or clear.

And the left has the sheer gall to accuse other countries of interfering in elections while they at the same time allow foreign illegals to vote?

Usually when someone says sheer gall they are not very serious. Are you very serious?

Local or not, it doesn't make any difference.

Well yeah, it does. Firstly what happens in one local election or city does not equate to a national viewpoint. In other words San Francisco's choice on this is not necessarily representative of the rest of the democratic party. Moreover, when someone is arguing about the right to vote they are usually talking about state and federal elections. I suppose you can also offer an article about a Democrat asking a group of illegals to vote on their favorite pizza as proof if we are talking about any vote.

An election is an election and I can't see how this could ever be made legal which to me would be along the same lines as committing an act of treason by allowing illegal foreigners to come in and manipulate elections that are only meant for legal citizens.

*Manipulation would be more accurate.

Treason? Really?

 

[Curious George]

Data and facts brother.

Lol, not quite. You don't happen to have any legitimate or credible source do you?

I am still waiting for you to show that Democrats want illegals to vote. Now we are going to add this on the list too.

 

[HonestJoe]

Can anyone explain, with logic, what this woman is talking about...?

There is no logic, it’s just politics. Of course, it’d much harder for them to play politics like this if there was a clear stated logic for wanting to include this particular question on the short-form census specifically. A bit of clarity on that might have won the administration the Supreme Court case and allowed them to include the question in the first place.

Hence why the citizenship question needs to be on the census to help us sort this out.

How would it do that exactly. Note that the census is anonymous and there would be therefore no way to (legally) link the resulting data to any voter registration records. There are already different sources to measure proportions of citizens and non-citizens, including the annual survey the US census bureau replaced the long form census with in 2010.

I can’t see how (possibly) more detailed data on citizenship would be of any significant benefit in dealing with ineligible voting. That would require a redevelopment of the voter registration system(s) and could only really be achieved legitimacy if responsibility for that was moved from partisan politicians to a truly independent electoral commission of some kind. The root problem is that none of the politicians (or partisan supporters) want a fair system, they want a flawed or corrupt system that favours them.

 

[Enoch07]

Lol, not quite. You don't happen to have any legitimate or credible source do you?

I listed my citation. If you want to dispute the article feel free. But denial alone doesn't work in a debate sorry. If not then we are done here.

 

[Enoch07]

How would it do that exactly. Note that the census is anonymous and there would be therefore no way to (legally) link the resulting data to any voter registration records.

S.S. #'s or Green Card #'s either are proof of citizenship and can easily be verified and cross referenced.

The root problem is that none of the politicians (or partisan supporters) want a fair system, they want a flawed or corrupt system that favours them.

Not me. My only requirements are legal citizen, 18+ years old, and living. Its shame I have to put the alive requirement in there, but Dems have been caught using dead people to cast votes for them so yeah it's a necessary requirement.

 

[HonestJoe]

S.S. #'s or Green Card #'s either are proof of citizenship and can easily be verified and cross referenced.

You’re missing the point. The census data is legally anonymous. It would be a serious federal crime for the census bureau to share identifiable data with anyone, even other government departments. This is to specifically prevent census returns being used to impact individuals in the way you’re proposing, as that possibility could obviously impact whether and how accurately people completed them.

Not me. My only requirements are legal citizen, 18+ years old, and living. Its shame I have to put the alive requirement in there, but Dems have been caught using dead people to cast votes for them so yeah it's a necessary requirement.

Then why are you focusing on the irrelevancy of census questions. You’re not going to fix your electoral system without an independent electoral commission and that isn’t going to happen without public demand. If you really care about the issue, you should help kick off that campaign.

 

[wellwisher]

Nancy Pelosi's state of California risks losing five Congressional seats if the illegals aliens are not counted in the census. This would decrease federal money going back to California, since each states share of the money is proportional to their Congressional seats.

California already lost the high property tax deduction that gave extra federal money, back to California citizens; property tax deduction, compared to lower tax states. They do not want any more scams to disappear.

 

[Enoch07]

This is to specifically prevent census returns being used to impact individuals in the way you’re proposing, as that possibility could obviously impact whether and how accurately people completed them.

Tough cookie for them. They should obey the law to begin with and they wouldn't have to worry about it.

Then why are you focusing on the irrelevancy of census questions.

Its not irrelevant to know who resides in our country.

 

[pearl]

Therefore, it is important to have reliable figures. Leaving the citizenship question off will lead to more reliable figures leaving it on will help eliminate counting illegals for representation.

Not all non citizens are illegal.

 

[Shad]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday blasted President Trump’s push for a citizenship question on the 2020 census as an effort to “Make America White Again” — claiming, “it’s not what our founders had in mind.”

“They want to make sure that people, certain people, are counted,” Pelosi said at a press conference in San Francisco that focused on election security.

“Just their people vote and not the general population,” said the Democratic lawmaker. “That’s why they’re fighting the census.”

https://nypost.com/2019/07/08/pelos...ake-america-white-again-with-census-question/

The citizenship question is a data point which will be used to catch illegals. It is blatantly obvious. Dems have to lie as they do not have a good counter-argument.

 

[Shad]

Local election is not the federal.

Just to add there is no federal law stating a local nor state election voters have to be citizens.

 

[Shad]

The census data is legally anonymous. It would be a serious federal crime for the census bureau to share identifiable data with anyone, even other government departments.

This can change. I just finished my own census paperwork up in Canada which included a number of provincial and federal departments requesting my consent to share the census data. All government needs to do is slip in a consent clause.

 

[Stevicus]

Can anyone explain, with logic, what this woman is talking about...?

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I'm not really sure myself. I believe there are questions about race already on the census. This is a question about citizenship which would affect non-citizens of all races.

I'm also not sure about the statement of "make America white again," since America was never really white to begin with. Regarding "what our founders had in mind," America's founders were mostly white supremacists and brazen expansionists who wanted to clear out the indigenous tribes to make room for white settlement. But even they didn't want to "make America white," since they brought in millions of African slaves to toil in the fields. (Although back then, their ways of actually counting them were somewhat bizarre, considering that only 3/5 of a person counted as a person.)

 

[HonestJoe]

Its not irrelevant to know who resides in our country.

Then why did you snip the part of my reply that explains how the census question can't achieve what you want it to achieve? If you want a general idea of the number of citizens, legal non-citizens and illegal immigrants, that data already exists from a range of sources. It isn't going to be 100% accurate but that kind of thing never will be. If you want individual residents specifically identified and labelled as citizens or not, you need an entirely different process to the census, something neither you nor the administration have (yet) proposed.

 

[HonestJoe]

This can change. I just finished my own census paperwork up in Canada which included a number of provincial and federal departments requesting my consent to share the census data. All government needs to do is slip in a consent clause.

It could change, though I don’t believe it’s that simple in the US as it’s established federal law. They’d need to get that changed via the usual processes first.

Regardless, the key point is that the administration hasn’t asked for that and didn’t present it as their reason for wanting the citizenship question on the census. That would mean either the people calling for that are entirely out of sync with the politicians they believe they’re supporting or the administration deliberately lied to the Supreme Court to try to cover up their true motives. I for one very much hope it’s the former and will generally believe in the ignorance of a handful of individuals (especially Americans) before a major government conspiracy (even American).