Penalty asked for doctor who spoke of 10-year-old's abortion

[Revoltingest]

Okay...let's give a practical example. The little girl tells her own mother that Mr X (their neighbor) has just raped her.
The mother does nothing.
Is that admissible in the United States?
Will this mother face zero judicial consequences?

Because in my country she will face them. Penal Trial.

I don't know what legal liability you're trying to
impose upon the abortionist. It's unclear. And
"admissible" seems the wrong word for whatever
question you want to ask.

Let's simplify things...
If someone discovers that a child was raped,
& it's not yet been reported, then the one
discovering it should see that it's reported
it to the authorities.
If, however, it's already been reported, then
anyone else who becomes aware of it needn't
report the rape.

 

[Estro Felino]

"Admissible" seems the wrong word for whatever
question you want to ask. Let's simplify things...

If someone discovers that a child was raped,
& it's not yet been reported, then the one
discovering it should see that it's reported
it to the authorities.
If, however, it's already been reported, then
anyone else who becomes aware of it needn't
report the rape.

I am not understanding the concept.
It's already weird that a 10 year old girl has already her period...but let's leave that aside, for a moment.
How does a 10 year old girl find out she is pregnant?
How did she find out?
Who helped her figure that out?

Just pretend you are before a district attorney.
Go on, dear mister. I am listening.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am not understanding the concept.
It's already weird that a 10 year old girl has already her period...but let's leave that aside, for a moment.
How does a 10 year old girl finds out she is pregnant?

I'm not knowledgeable enuf to enumerate the ways.

Just pretend you are before a district attorney.
Go on, dear mister. I am listening.

What are the particulars of the issue you want me to address?

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm not knowledgeable enuf to enumerate the ways.

What are the particulars of the issue you want me to address?

My point is that it's obvious that her parents knew that girl was pregnant.
Sex with a minor is a crime, anyway. We are dealing with a prepuberal age.

Because minors cannot express any consent.
Both in Europe and in the United States.

 

[Revoltingest]

My point is that it's obvious that her parents knew that girl was pregnant.
Sex with a minor is a crime, anyway. We are dealing with a prepuberal age.

You're not saying anything that I could act upon as a district attorney.

Because minors cannot express any consent.

Not in dispute.

I've no idea what you're getting at in this discussion.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the US there is anarchy, evidently.

No.

Because if a 10 girl gets pregnant and nobody says anything or does anything, there is anarchy.

A great deal has been said.
The rape was reported.
She got her very necessary abortion.
A suspect is in custody.
And much is still being said.
What do you find lacking?

 

[Estro Felino]

No.

A great deal has been said.
The rape was reported.
She got her very necessary abortion.
A suspect is in custody.
And much is still being said.
What do you find lacking?

I haven't figured out how it happened.
This girl was raped...and...what happened next?
How did the parents find out?

The story doesn't look credible to me....
If they want to make it sound credible, they will have to explain it in detail.
Minute by minute.

 

[HonestJoe]

I haven't figured out how it happened.
This girl was raped...and...what happened next?
How did the parents find out?

The story doesn't look credible to me....
If they want to make it sound credible, they will have to explain it in detail.
Minute by minute.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to make the "story" sound credible to you in the first place.

Regardless, the reason none of us know exactly what happened is because it's an ongoing criminal case and one that involves a minor. A suspect has been charged and the criminal investigation will be ongoing (and given the suspect was apparently in a relationship with the girls mother, that investigation will inevitably include the mothers knowledge and actions). All the details aren't going to be public, certainly not before any court case, and with some aspects, not even then.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I am not understanding the concept.
It's already weird that a 10 year old girl has already her period...but let's leave that aside, for a moment.
How does a 10 year old girl find out she is pregnant?
How did she find out?
Who helped her figure that out?

Just pretend you are before a district attorney.
Go on, dear mister. I am listening.

Yeah, and supposedly girls don't ovulate until after a few years. It generally has to do with body fat percentage, as the body thinks you must be old enough to carry a baby. Maybe an overweight girl.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm not sure why anyone needs to make the "story" sound credible to you in the first place.

Regardless, the reason none of us know exactly what happened is because it's an ongoing criminal case and one that involves a minor. A suspect has been charged and the criminal investigation will be ongoing (and given the suspect was apparently in a relationship with the girls mother, that investigation will inevitably include the mothers knowledge and actions). All the details aren't going to be public, certainly not before any court case, and with some aspects, not even then.

Well...then if there was a relationship between the rapist and the victim's mother, this explains many things.

It was the victim's mother who found out her own daughter had been impregnated by a man?

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, and supposedly girls don't ovulate until after a few years. It generally has to do with body fat percentage, as the body thinks you must be old enough to carry a baby. Maybe an overweight girl.

And since the perpetrator was in that house...we can assume the acts of sexual violence started before her first menstruation.

 

[SomeRandom]

I haven't figured out how it happened.
This girl was raped...and...what happened next?
How did the parents find out?

The story doesn't look credible to me....
If they want to make it sound credible, they will have to explain it in detail.
Minute by minute.

Not sure how one could break down such a story without breaking confidentiality. I mean this involves some very personal things involving a minor. Outside of the police it’s usually illegal to say much more than
“Then she had an abortion.”

As for menstrual cycles, ovulation is the only thing required for pregnancy to occur. The menstrual cycle is usually not far behind the first ovulation, though that can indeed vary in folks. A girl can indeed get pregnant before her menstrual cycle begins.
So if that were the case, I doubt the parents would know she was pregnant until she started showing. I mean what parent subjects a child to a pregnancy test every day just in case or even thinks about that, honestly???
Why would they know is my question to you?
She’s 10! Even if she had started menstruating, at that age the cycle would be haphazard anyway. So even if she stopped suddenly, it wouldn’t be cause to check if she were pregnant. Because that is “normal.”

Its not something I would think a 10 year old would easily figure out in the first place. A woman typically recognises she might be pregnant when her cycle stops. A child wouldn’t know that.
So again why would the parents know until she actually started showing? Which usually takes a month or two. At least

 

[Estro Felino]

Not sure how one could break down such a story without breaking confidentiality. I mean this involves some very personal things involving a minor. Outside of the police it’s usually illegal to say much more than
“Then she had an abortion.”

As for menstrual cycles, ovulation is the only thing required for pregnancy to occur. The menstrual cycle is usually not far behind the first ovulation, though that can indeed vary in folks. A girl can indeed get pregnant before her menstrual cycle begins.
So if that were the case, I doubt the parents would know she was pregnant until she started showing. I mean what parent subjects a child to a pregnancy test every day just in case or even thinks about that, honestly???
Why would they know is my question to you?
She’s 10! Even if she had started menstruating, at that age the cycle would be haphazard anyway. So even if she stopped suddenly, it wouldn’t be cause to check if she were pregnant. Because that is “normal.”

Its not something I would think a 10 year old would easily figure out in the first place. A woman typically recognises she might be pregnant when her cycle stops. A child wouldn’t know that.
So again why would the parents know until she actually started showing? Which usually takes a month or two. At least

We are dealing with a mother who was in relationship with a man. This man raped her daughter and got her pregnant.
This story is utterly horrific and utterly disgusting.
But I guess the most disgusting aspect is the cover-up.
Because people have the right to know. Criminal facts are not private.
Criminal law is a branch of public law.

 

[Revoltingest]

I haven't figured out how it happened.
This girl was raped...and...what happened next?
How did the parents find out?

The story doesn't look credible to me....
If they want to make it sound credible, they will have to explain it in detail.
Minute by minute.

Sometimes, ya just won't know
everything that piques yer curiosity.

 

[Sand Dancer]

And since the perpetrator was in that house...we can assume the acts of sexual violence started before her first menstruation.

Most likely. Pedos often stop molesting around puberty but this kid started early.

 

[SomeRandom]

We are dealing with a mother who was in relationship with a man. This man raped her daughter and got her pregnant.
This story is utterly horrific and utterly disgusting.
But I guess the most disgusting aspect is the cover-up.
Because people have the right to know. Criminal facts are not private.
Criminal law is a branch of public law.

When it involves a minor, the details are purposefully kept under a lid due to various privacy laws. They can’t divulge much to the public because it’s literally illegal to give much more than the bare minimum facts. Minors are given extra protection under privacy laws for a reason. It’s to prevent future harm, reduces public embarrassment and even prevents a potential mistrial of the rapist. (Who could argue that they are not able to get a fair trial due to media publicity influencing the jurors.)
Not sure why you want folks to put that child at future risk or cause her more harm by folks giving in depth accounts of the case to the public. Like I hope I’m misunderstanding something here

As for the case itself I agree it is absolutely abhorrent but alas it’s all too common as well

 

[HonestJoe]

Well...then if there was a relationship between the rapist and the victim's mother, this explains many things.

It was the victim's mother who found out her own daughter had been impregnated by a man?

Maybe if you're going to demand to know everything about a case, you should make a little effort to find out what is actually already public first? As I said, many of the details aren't public (yet) because it's an ongoing criminal investigation. A suspect has been charged but not tried or convicted so the definitive facts haven't even been established yet.

There is something of an irony here in that the trigger for this thread is an accusation that a doctor releveled too much personal information about the victim yet so much of the discussion has been driven by people demanding more details to convince them the sequence of events was as reported (as it has been since the case came to light).

 

[Estro Felino]

When it involves a minor, the details are purposefully kept under a lid due to various privacy laws. They can’t divulge much to the public because it’s literally illegal to give much more than the bare minimum facts. Minors are given extra protection under privacy laws for a reason. It’s to prevent future harm, reduces public embarrassment and even prevents a potential mistrial of the rapist. (Who could argue that they are not able to get a fair trial due to media publicity influencing the jurors.)
Not sure why you want folks to put that child at future risk or cause her more harm by folks giving in depth accounts of the case to the public. Like I hope I’m misunderstanding something here

As for the case itself I agree it is absolutely abhorrent but alas it’s all too common as well

The name of the girl hasn't been disclosed so nobody's privacy has been violated.

 

[Estro Felino]

Maybe if you're going to demand to know everything about a case, you should make a little effort to find out what is actually already public first? As I said, many of the details aren't public (yet) because it's an ongoing criminal investigation. A suspect has been charged but not tried or convicted so the definitive facts haven't even been established yet.

There is something of an irony here in that the trigger for this thread is an accusation that a doctor releveled too much personal information about the victim yet so much of the discussion has been driven by people demanding more details to convince them the sequence of events was as reported (as it has been since the case came to light).

In the United States whenever it deals with crimes of sexual nature, people are secretive. Too secretive.
Whenever it deals with mass shootings or first degree murder, they disclose every detail of the crime, its victims and its perpetrators.

Whenever it deals with sex, Americans are secretive. They don't tell anything.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sometimes, ya just won't know
everything that piques yer curiosity.

In the United States the most heinous crimes are committed because people don't care.
People mind their own businesses.

For example...a man rapes his own daughter, he gets her pregnant...the she forces her to have an abortion...so the genetic evidence of the crime is gone forever.
After the abortion, he resumes the raping schedule.

And the physician? The physician doesn't ask, doesn't tell.
Because you know...American physicians value the patient-doctor confidentiality.

Light years from what we do things here. We do everything aboveboard.
No secrecy.