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Pence wants the Trump investigation to wrap up too:

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Actually I think that Pence may wants it wrapped up for the same reason that most of the rest of us do.
I think everybody wants the damned thing to be over. It's not like Mueller is being ordered to wrap it up. A subtle, but important, difference.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Mike Pence to Robert Mueller: 'It's time to wrap it up' - CNNPolitics

Perhaps he is getting impatient and realizes that his election chances are from slim to none and slim has left town.

I doubt anything is going to come of the investigation. It's all investigation of what was done before he was president.

Nixon was impeached for what he did during the presidency. That's what Muller needs the questions answered. He needs perjury, obstruction, abuse of power. Maybe he could show that firing Comey was an abuse of power, I think some of the questions are geared towards that.

It's all a big nothing burger what happen before Trump was president.

Impeach him, yeah if you get enough Democrats up there. Again, whatever Mueller finds out will still be pretty inconsequential in that case as well.

Mueller's investigation is irrelevant to removing Trump. The President should just ignore it, go on about his business and wish them the best of luck.

Probably won't do that, and may very well do something stupid that gets himself impeached. Still Mueller's investigation is irrelevant unless he just happens to catch Trump in the act.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I doubt anything is going to come of the investigation. It's all investigation of what was done before he was president.

Nixon was impeached for what he did during the presidency. That's what Muller needs the questions answered. He needs perjury, obstruction, abuse of power. Maybe he could show that firing Comey was an abuse of power, I think some of the questions are geared towards that.

It's all a big nothing burger what happen before Trump was president.

Impeach him, yeah if you get enough Democrats up there. Again, whatever Mueller finds out will still be pretty inconsequential in that case as well.

Mueller's investigation is irrelevant to removing Trump. The President should just ignore it, go on about his business and wish them the best of luck.

Probably won't do that, and may very well do something stupid that gets himself impeached. Still Mueller's investigation is irrelevant unless he just happens to catch Trump in the act.
What Nixon was impeached for were acts when he was running for reelection. If he did that in his first term it would have been "before his presidency" and would have been just as illegal. The cover up of the crime was worse than the crime itself and we already know of at least one illegal campaign contribution that he lied about.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Pence is just taking orders. The republican establishment wants this over because they fear it will affect the midterms. The RW feels they can't control the message with this investigation always popping up new information.

There's nothing honorable with what they're doing.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I doubt anything is going to come of the investigation. It's all investigation of what was done before he was president.

Nixon was impeached for what he did during the presidency. That's what Muller needs the questions answered. He needs perjury, obstruction, abuse of power. Maybe he could show that firing Comey was an abuse of power, I think some of the questions are geared towards that.

It's all a big nothing burger what happen before Trump was president.

Impeach him, yeah if you get enough Democrats up there. Again, whatever Mueller finds out will still be pretty inconsequential in that case as well.

Mueller's investigation is irrelevant to removing Trump. The President should just ignore it, go on about his business and wish them the best of luck.

Probably won't do that, and may very well do something stupid that gets himself impeached. Still Mueller's investigation is irrelevant unless he just happens to catch Trump in the act.
The investigation is about the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. I think that's obvious at this point.
Trump has been obstructing justice, and that happened after he became president.

An innocent person would ignore the investigation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pence is just taking orders. The republican establishment wants this over because they fear it will affect the midterms. The RW feels they can't control the message with this investigation always popping up new information.

There's nothing honorable with what they're doing.

Do you think that I thought that Pence was doing this for an honorable reason? Au contraire mon frere.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I have said before that this investigation will not end before Donald Trump himself testifies. And despite what Rudy says the President cannot just ignore a subpoena from a federal grand jury. They can fight it all they want, right to the Supreme Court. But that will only prolong the investigation, not shorten it.

One way or the other Trump will testify. Willingly, by subpoena, or by court order, it will happen.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The investigation is about the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. I think that's obvious at this point.
Trump has been obstructing justice, and that happened after he became president.

Ok, how has he obstructed justice?

An innocent person would ignore the investigation.

Maybe, I think Trump gets a kick out of basically thumbing his nose at it. I suspect he enjoys the whole thing. And, after all is said and done. Trump will walk off into the sunset like all past president and for him at least, enjoy all his money.

I could be wrong, it's just a prediction. In four to six years, hit me up and tell me how wrong I was or whenever they get rid of him. Though I will have probably forgotten entirely about it and may deny it.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
What Nixon was impeached for were acts when he was running for reelection. If he did that in his first term it would have been "before his presidency" and would have been just as illegal. The cover up of the crime was worse than the crime itself and we already know of at least one illegal campaign contribution that he lied about.

The point is impeachment depends on the house and the senate. So it really doesn't matter what Mueller comes out with if they choose not to impeach and if impeached the Senate chooses not to convict.

If you get enough Democrats, again, it doesn't matter what Mueller comes up with. They are already calling for Trump's impeachment. They just don't have the votes.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The point is impeachment depends on the house and the senate. So it really doesn't matter what Mueller comes out with if they choose not to impeach and if impeached the Senate chooses not to convict.

If you get enough Democrats, again, it doesn't matter what Mueller comes up with. They are already calling for Trump's impeachment. They just don't have the votes.

That is true. But conviction of an impeachment takes members of both parties. Nixon could see that he had lost the support of his own party and widely resigned. Trump may not be that wise and may try to drag the party down with him.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Do you think that I thought that Pence was doing this for an honorable reason? Au contraire mon frere.
Pence is just repeating (taking orders) from his handlers. He's repeating what RW media has been barking about for months.

Pence's opinion is irrelevant.

If you understand politics, you understand the real reason they want this investigation over.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pence is just repeating (taking orders) from his handlers. He's repeating what RW media has been barking about for months.

Pence's opinion is irrelevant.

If you understand politics, you understand the real reason they want this investigation over.
Or perhaps Pence wants Trump out of there. But you are probably right. Pence appears to be a bit of a Yes Man for Trump.
 
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