Pence wants the Trump investigation to wrap up too:

[Nakosis]

Likely correct, imo, but that doesn't mean the inquiry needs to be stopped. There are already over two dozen indictments and five plea deals, so there is a there there that needs to be dealt with.

Ok, but I also suspect that once Trump is out of office there will be no criminal follow-up. There will be nothing dealt with. Such is the politics of the president. I've seen it over and over, half the country feels the president is a criminal while they are in office, as soon as they leave, folks are so happy the president is gone, they rather just forgive any trespasses.

 

[metis]

Ok, but I also suspect that once Trump is out of office there will be no criminal follow-up.

Probably not with him, but with that many indictments there likely will be.

And for Trump to give blanket pardons would not likely be viewed favorably by the American public, especially since that would pretty much throw the "rule of law" out the window.

There will be nothing dealt with.

There had better be or we'll be right back in messes like this over and over and over again.

 

[Nakosis]

Probably not with him, but with that many indictments there likely will be.

And for Trump to give blanket pardons would not likely be viewed favorably by the American public, especially since that would pretty much throw the "rule of law" out the window.

There had better be or we'll be right back in messes like this over and over and over again.

"You too, my son, will have a taste of power,"
Yes, over and over.

 

[james dixon]

, but they're trying to utilize a strategy that has failed time and time again.

If you don't succeed the first time, try, try again. Especially when this time around you have a real reason to do so. -

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you don't succeed the first time, try, try again. Especially when this time around you have a real reason to do so. -

They don't have a reason to do so again. If something doesn't work the first time, you don't do the same thing but do something different. In music, this would be playing a section of a song slowly and building up to playing it at full speed. In health care this could be a doctor prescribing a different medication when one isn't working. In politics, this is not relying upon the failures of the incumbent to be the core of a campaign, because it has failed many times. Doing so will easily get Trump a second term.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Even if the Dems take the House, I doubt that they will go for articles of impeachment for two main reasons, with one of them being that it's highly unlikely that the Senate would remove Trump, plus that most Americans simply don't like having those they elected removed, that action of which caused quite a backlash against the Pubs when they did as such against Bill Clinton.

I also think the Dems are relishing the chance to run against Trump in 2020.

 

[metis]

I also think the Dems are relishing the chance to run against Trump in 2020.

If he lasts that long. I don't think it's likely he'll be impeached, but if enough of the public and his own party turn against him, he may chose to bow out of the race and maybe even earlier.

BTW, the news that came out yesterday was quite damning against him and his camp, but those who watch Fox don't likely know that.

 

[columbus]

I also think the Dems are relishing the chance to run against Trump in 2020.

They were doing that in 2016, as I recall.
Tom

 

[tytlyf]

They were doing that in 2016, as I recall.
Tom

Oh yes, we were. We underestimated millions of Americans not knowing who Trump was.

 

[columbus]

Oh yes, we were. We underestimated millions of Americans not knowing who Trump was.

What makes you think you're better at it now?
Tom

 

[tytlyf]

What makes you think you're better at it now?
Tom

I understand their mindset. Take RW media away, facts present themselves. They only vote republican because of their media frightening them into it.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

They were doing that in 2016, as I recall.
Tom

And they won the popular vote nearly 3 million popular votes.

 

[columbus]

And they won the popular vote nearly 3 million popular votes.

I realize that. But the USA is not a democracy.
Tom

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

I realize that. But the USA is not a democracy.
Tom

Tomato, tomahto. We have a representative government and elections which is what people mean when they use the word "democracy".

 

[columbus]

Tomato, tomahto. We have a representative government and elections which is what people mean when they use the word "democracy".

People get really sloppy using many words, democracy is one.
The presidential selection process was designed to favor wealthy landowners, rural white slaveowning men. It hasn't changed much.

To quote Khrushchev:
"The people! The people?
The people have no say!"
Tom

 

[james dixon]

The people have no say!"
Tom

True, but time changes everything and the time is changing.
Now it is time to show the world how a true democracy works.

~~~~~~~~Trump’s Republican Party~~~~~~~~

Let this be a warning in spades, Trump is dragging your party through the pig farm slug pit. Please hold your nose, don’t breathe or open your eyes because you be in the disgusted land of ooze.

If you don’t save your party from this pathetical liar you will not only lose what integrity you have.,.,,.,.,,, but every seat in Congress.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I also think the Dems are relishing the chance to run against Trump in 2020.

They need to take Trump so serious that if they are relishing it they aren't taking it serious enough. There are a few scenarios, at least, in which Trump wins a second term. And they aren't so much dependent upon what he does as it what others do. Such as, if the dems don't acknowledge Trump can win, it can sink their boat again. Becoming a war President would give him an edge. But there is also the Mueller investigation, and Trump might get sued by someone bigger than him. Guilty? He's done. Innocent? He might be able to wiggle into an even narrower margin of an even less impressive win.
But we all know to Trump, it will be even bigger than his first.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

They need to take Trump so serious that if they are relishing it they aren't taking it serious enough. There are a few scenarios, at least, in which Trump wins a second term. And they aren't so much dependent upon what he does as it what others do. Such as, if the dems don't acknowledge Trump can win, it can sink their boat again. Becoming a war President would give him an edge. But there is also the Mueller investigation, and Trump might get sued by someone bigger than him. Guilty? He's done. Innocent? He might be able to wiggle into an even narrower margin of an even less impressive win.
But we all know to Trump, it will be even bigger than his first.

From what I have gleaned from talking to people I would label as "independents", they voted for Trump because they thought he might be able to get stuff done. They have been largely cured of that delusion. The last time around the Dems sent in one of their weakest candidates and they still won the popular vote by 3 million.

I'm not saying Trump can't win, but it does look pretty good for the Dems. It would be a much tougher campaign if they had to go up against a more traditional Rep candidate.

 

[Riders]

They need to take Trump so serious that if they are relishing it they aren't taking it serious enough. There are a few scenarios, at least, in which Trump wins a second term. And they aren't so much dependent upon what he does as it what others do. Such as, if the dems don't acknowledge Trump can win, it can sink their boat again. Becoming a war President would give him an edge. But there is also the Mueller investigation, and Trump might get sued by someone bigger than him. Guilty? He's done. Innocent? He might be able to wiggle into an even narrower margin of an even less impressive win.
But we all know to Trump, it will be even bigger than his first.

But if he gets a recommendation of impeachment, from Mueller I dont think even the GOP will send him up for reelection.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Mueller I dont think even the GOP will send him up for reelection.

If the base gets wound up over "witch hunts" and "liberal elites" they might.