Pence wants the Trump investigation to wrap up too:

[Subduction Zone]

He fired Comey.
That's just the one obvious and unambiguous way that Trump obstructed justice.
Plenty more to come I expect.
Tom

And Giuliani made a statement that made it clear that it was obstruction. With friends like that . . .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Or perhaps Pence is tired of waiting for Trump to be impeached. Pence wants to be President RIGHT NOW, gosh-darnit!!!

Or he's starting to get nervous. He does, after all, know what it's like to have his actions struck down by the Supreme Court.

He fired Comey.
That's just the one obvious and unambiguous way that Trump obstructed justice.

It wouldn't surprise me if history records that as the "first domino" in what drove this investigation. Of course there was an investigation prior to that, but Trump firing Comey looks terribly suspicious.

 

[Nakosis]

He fired Comey.
That's just the one obvious and unambiguous way that Trump obstructed justice.
Plenty more to come I expect.
Tom

Yes, I get that, but it's kind of his right as president. Also on Rosenstein's recommendation. Some of Mueller's questions are geared towards nailling Trump on that, if he bothers to answer.

It's a tightrope Trump would have to walk and he's more like a bull in a China shop. I doubt they let Trump face a grand jury.

If they get Trump before Mueller, all bets are off. I'm banking on that never happening. They will fight any subpoena to the SCOTUS. I doubt that will happen before his first term is up. If he get reelected, yeah maybe. If not, I suspect they'll drop it, having gotten what they want anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

I confidently predict that stuff will happen...or not.

 

[columbus]

Yes, I get that, but it's kind of his right as president.

Obstruction of justice is his "right as president "?

Seriously?
How deplorable.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

Obstruction of justice is his "right as president "?

Seriously?
How deplorable.
Tom

Personally I am hoping for a resignation in disgrace. At this point it is the best case scenario.

 

[tytlyf]

Some of Mueller's questions are geared towards nailling Trump on that, if he bothers to answer.

The job of the FBI is to conduct an investigation. RW media says the republicans in charge of the investigation aren't credible. Saying there's too many democratic donors on the investigation and no republicans.

The people are modern day propagandists. Deceiving the public by playing on their emotions.

 

[Riders]

I doubt anything is going to come of the investigation. It's all investigation of what was done before he was president.

Nixon was impeached for what he did during the presidency. That's what Muller needs the questions answered. He needs perjury, obstruction, abuse of power. Maybe he could show that firing Comey was an abuse of power, I think some of the questions are geared towards that.

It's all a big nothing burger what happen before Trump was president.

Impeach him, yeah if you get enough Democrats up there. Again, whatever Mueller finds out will still be pretty inconsequential in that case as well.

Mueller's investigation is irrelevant to removing Trump. The President should just ignore it, go on about his business and wish them the best of luck.

Probably won't do that, and may very well do something stupid that gets himself impeached. Still Mueller's investigation is irrelevant unless he just happens to catch Trump in the act.

He fired Comey the FBI director while in office because Comey started investigating him. He obstructed justice while in office.

 

[Riders]

Truthfully i don't care anymore, as long as hes not reelected and I know he wont be and we can get Pence out someone new in.

Id prefer well I really want 3rd party towin but sense they wont democrats but truthfully as I said before next election if republicans get Trump and Pence out Ill eve consider voting Republican if they[re man is good.

I doubt they will try to reelect Trump by now, if Republicans did next term theyd bomb out. For that reason I'm fairly happy with the results of this investigation even if we lose.

On the other hand I suspect Trump is going down for this, possible impeachment and I would do a dance,,,,, but if he doesn't and Mueller gets his Lawyer and maybe his son some of the people who worked for him I'd be pretty happy as well.

Man I hope this year goes fast half time 2 more years to survive TRumo................

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Yes, I get that, but it's kind of his right as president.

One could argue that it is a judge's right to rule one way or another in court. However, if someone pays the judge a bribe to rule in favor of them it is still a crime. If you use your powers for corrupt purposes then it is a crime. Using your powers to stop a criminal investigation into yourself is obviously corrupt intent.

 

[Nakosis]

One could argue that it is a judge's right to rule one way or another in court. However, if someone pays the judge a bribe to rule in favor of them it is still a crime. If you use your powers for corrupt purposes then it is a crime. Using your powers to stop a criminal investigation into yourself is obviously corrupt intent.

Yes, but that still has to be proven. How are you going to prove what was in Trump's head when he fired Comey? Even before Trump fired him, there were Democrats wanting him removed. I'm not saying his reasons weren't nefarious, just that even if it was, unless Trump screws himself with his own testimony, it's going to be really hard to prove.

 

[Nakosis]

He fired Comey the FBI director while in office because Comey started investigating him. He obstructed justice while in office.

Prove it. Or they need to prove it. I don't think it's going to be that easy.

 

[Nakosis]

The job of the FBI is to conduct an investigation. RW media says the republicans in charge of the investigation aren't credible. Saying there's too many democratic donors on the investigation and no republicans.

The people are modern day propagandists. Deceiving the public by playing on their emotions.

Yes, but it's really the congress who'll decide. Maybe it's all a ploy to begin the "blue wave". You can decide or folks can decide by putting Democrats in office. Except, ever since the Stormy Daniels story, Trump's approval rating has been on the increase.

The more Stormy is in the news, the better Trump's chances are it seems.

The point is the Mueller investigation is irrelevant. Well the facts are irrelevant to the outcome. Unless the Democrats can win the House and Senate, the investigation is moot.

 

[Nakosis]

Obstruction of justice is his "right as president "?

Seriously?
How deplorable.
Tom

Seriously?

 

[columbus]

I'm not saying his reasons weren't nefarious, just that even if it was, unless Trump screws himself with his own testimony, it's going to be really hard to prove.

I would prefer that Pence gets put under oath first, and asked a batch of searching questions. Trump is definitely the better liar of the two.

Out of curiosity, what kind of precedents are there for quizzing the VP about the doings of the Pres? If anybody should know what Trumps motivations for firing Comey were it would be Pence.
Tom

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Yes, but that still has to be proven.

I absolutely agree. What I was countering is the claim that using your powers to fire someone can not be a crime if you possess that power.

How are you going to prove what was in Trump's head when he fired Comey?

The legal standards, if I understand them correctly, include statements made by the defendant as well as actions that can be interpreted as consciousness of guilt. For example, if Trump said that he fired someone because they were investigating him then that is an admission of what was in his head. If Trump goes against protocols and safeguards, such as clearing the room to talk to Comey about dropping charges against his friends, then that can be construed as consciousness of guilt. What one does and says can be used to determine what was in their head.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Yes, but it's really the congress who'll decide. Maybe it's all a ploy to begin the "blue wave". You can decide or folks can decide by putting Democrats in office. Except, ever since the Stormy Daniels story, Trump's approval rating has been on the increase.

The more Stormy is in the news, the better Trump's chances are it seems.

The point is the Mueller investigation is irrelevant. Well the facts are irrelevant to the outcome. Unless the Democrats can win the House and Senate, the investigation is moot.

It is also interesting that Bill Clinton saw a bump in his poll numbers during the Lewinsky scandal.

 

[Nakosis]

I absolutely agree. What I was countering is the claim that using your powers to fire someone can not be a crime if you possess that power.

The legal standards, if I understand them correctly, include statements made by the defendant as well as actions that can be interpreted as consciousness of guilt. For example, if Trump said that he fired someone because they were investigating him then that is an admission of what was in his head. If Trump goes against protocols and safeguards, such as clearing the room to talk to Comey about dropping charges against his friends, then that can be construed as consciousness of guilt. What one does and says can be used to determine what was in their head.

Yes, but I suspect because of the questions Mueller wants to ask, he doesn't have anything like that. Even so it'd be Comey's word against his. Congress could pretty much go either way. So Democrats vs Republicans. A blue wave is the only hope folks wanting Trump out of office have got, IMO.

 

[Nakosis]

I would prefer that Pence gets put under oath first, and asked a batch of searching questions. Trump is definitely the better liar of the two.

Out of curiosity, what kind of precedents are there for quizzing the VP about the doings of the Pres? If anybody should know what Trumps motivations for firing Comey were it would be Pence.
Tom

Really? I assumed Pence would be the more level headed one under fire, but I guess I don't really know him that well. It be interesting to see if they go that route though.

 

[columbus]

Really? I assumed Pence would be the more level headed one under fire, but I guess I don't really know him that well. It be interesting to see if they go that route though.

I definitely think that Pence is more level headed. Vastly more so. That's why I don't want Trump removed from office and replaced by Pence.
But I live in Pence's home state. He is many things I dislike, but liar isn't one of them.
Tom