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Pennsylvania Democrats Counting Illegal Ballots

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
esmith said:
Yeah, none of the legacy media reported it......wonder why......oh thats right they are in bed with the Democrats.
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Ya, is that why that four independent studies I've run across over the last 20 years have Fox as being the least accurate news source followed by MSNBC? I think most of us know your bias here, esmith. But you do have the choice of being led by your nose, so I'll grant you that.

BTW, the most accurate are PBS NewsHour and CNN, but object facts are of no interest to you.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
No, the border bill did not secure the border.
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Note that I never said it would "secure" the border.
That's an erroneous inference.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
That is the issue.
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It wasn't an issue that defeated passing
in Congress til Trump told'm to kill it.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
It was also not bipartisan. No republican in the senate voted for it and 4 dems voted against it.
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After Trump told'm to vote against it.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Letting in an average of 4000/day without doing anything is not security. You are about to see what real border security is.
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Your post shows mis-reading of mine,
& misunderstanding of what happened.
What's your explanation for some Pubs
lamenting Trump having killed it?
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
Note that I never said it would "secure" the border.
That's an erroneous inference.

It wasn't an issue that defeated passing
in Congress til Trump told'm to kill it.

After Trump told'm to vote against it.

Your post shows mis-reading of mine,
& misunderstanding of what happened.
What's your explanation for some Pubs
lamenting Trump having killed it?
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The truth is the republicans did not vote for it because it did not secure the border enough had things like money for sanctuary cities, codifying illegal immigration, continued catch and release, taxpayers to fund immigration attorneys, expand temporary visas etc. Biden does not need this legislation to secure the border. Trump had it more secure without this legislation, Biden made it less secure by rescinding Trump's executive orders. The dems lied and said the border was just fine for 3 years until the election year and then blamed it on the republicans. The left is a gullible bunch.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Clizby Wampuscat said:
No republican senator voted for it. I guess a republican helped draft it? Is that what you consider non partisan?
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One did:

On Thursday, most Senate Democrats again supported the procedural vote to begin debate on the border bill, but it failed to advance 43-50 after all but one Republican, Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, voted against it.
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apnews.com

Border bill fails Senate test vote as Democrats seek to underscore Republican resistance

Senate Republicans are blocking for a second time a bill to clamp down the number of migrants allowed to claim asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border. The bill failed 43-50.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
No, the border bill did not secure the border. That is the issue. It was also not bipartisan. No republican in the senate voted for it and 4 dems voted against it. Letting in an average of 4000/day without doing anything is not security. You are about to see what real border security is.
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That, it appears to me, is deliberate obfuscation. The bill was CO-WRITTEN by one of the more conservative Senators, and approved by McConnell and had broad bi-partisan support .....

...for less than 48 hours!

That was all the time Trump needed to order his butt-licking minions to change their minds -- like they actually possessed minds of their own. In the end, after that mere 48 hours, even McConnell voted against it.

That rotund bottom just needed more kissing.

By the way, I say "deliberate obfuscation" because I do not believe you to be stupid enough not to be able to recognize what happened -- just uncomfortable acknowledging it. Truth hurts, they say, and that's true, and we don't like being hurt.

But a big part of the reason the US is so polarized today -- more than at any point in my life-time -- is because nobody, any longer understands that the truth can be a bridge over an issue between people. It doesn't remove the issue, but it does allow them to stay connected despite it. America doesn't do that anymore.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Revoltingest said:
Trump opposed it in order to harm
Biden's chances for re-election.
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Trump opposed it because the bill is an absolute goddamn mess that has nothing at all to do with border security and everything to do with bringing in millions of foreigners and have them declared as Citizens in order to rig a voting block of people to their advantage and seizing national power using those foreigners.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
metis said:
See post #17.

And you stoop so low as to just use a YouTube source as if it's objective??? What's next: Provda? Mad Magazine?
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So it appears you are saying that this is fake...
I think you just can't handle being wrong.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
metis said:
Ya, is that why that four independent studies I've run across over the last 20 years have Fox as being the least accurate news source followed by MSNBC? I think most of us know your bias here, esmith. But you do have the choice of being led by your nose, so I'll grant you that.

BTW, the most accurate are PBS NewsHour and CNN, but object facts are of no interest to you.
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That is correct, I am biased aganist those that I consider harmful to the country and right now it is the Democrats who have turned their party into the party of the far left. Those Democrats who switched to Trump said they didn't leave the party the party left them.
Until the National Democrat party gets back to the center/left they will never be in power again.
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
That, it appears to me, is deliberate obfuscation. The bill was CO-WRITTEN by one of the more conservative Senators, and approved by McConnell and had broad bi-partisan support .....

...for less than 48 hours!

That was all the time Trump needed to order his butt-licking minions to change their minds -- like they actually possessed minds of their own. In the end, after that mere 48 hours, even McConnell voted against it.

That rotund bottom just needed more kissing.

By the way, I say "deliberate obfuscation" because I do not believe you to be stupid enough not to be able to recognize what happened -- just uncomfortable acknowledging it. Truth hurts, they say, and that's true, and we don't like being hurt.

But a big part of the reason the US is so polarized today -- more than at any point in my life-time -- is because nobody, any longer understands that the truth can be a bridge over an issue between people. It doesn't remove the issue, but it does allow them to stay connected despite it. America doesn't do that anymore.
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Why did the dems say for three years the border was secure and just fine? They never asked for this bill until election time when it was clear we had problems, and Trump did not need this bill either. It is a bad bill for the reasons I explained. You cannot fathom anything that does not make Trump look bad. That is your problem, not mine.
 
W

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
What idiot Republican Senator would write a bill that they didn't intend to vote for? Try answering that question in an honest way, if you can.
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It is called the swamp; DNC/RNC status quo. It is like when Harris and Cheney teamed up ,to attempt to fool each other's base in favor of the swamp. The Republicans call them RINO's or Republican in name only.

You cannot have a border bill if the border is not secure, so all who cross can be vetted and accounted for. This is called legal immigration. Also with legal immigration, each legal immigrant needs a sponsor, who is accountable, until self sufficient. This is often done by businesses and farmers. It can also be done by Democrat tax payers.

I would go along with a bill that made the DNC responsible for all the cost of illegal immigrants, via added taxes, just on those who say they want illegal immigration. If you do not want illegal immigration, like most people, you can say so, and you do not get the added tax. This way the money is where the mouth is.

I hope when Trump starts to round up the illegals, if the DNC states and cities resists, we can ship even more illegals into DNC cities and states until their citizens revolt and impeach and tar and feather, their leaders. If want them, you got them. NYC got 30,000 and Trump wins the vote. How about a million illegal sent to Chicago and NYC. This could make the DNC swamp extinct. .
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Why did the dems say for three years the border was secure and just fine?
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This begs the question, ie, did they say that?
Clizby Wampuscat said:
They never asked for this bill until election time when it was clear we had problems, and Trump did not need this bill either. It is a bad bill for the reasons I explained. You cannot fathom anything that does not make Trump look bad. That is your problem, not mine.
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This appears to be tap dancing around the
issue that Trump told Pubs to kill the bill.
(Hmmm....suggests a great movie title.)
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
This begs the question, ie, did they say that?
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Many times,

nypost.com

White House doubles down on Kamala Harris’ claim that border is ‘secure’

“I’m just going to refer back to the vice president — we agree with her saying that there’s a lot of work to do, right?” Jean-Pierre said.
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Revoltingest said:
This appears to be tap dancing around the
issue that Trump told Pubs to kill the bill.
(Hmmm....suggests a great movie title.)
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Yes, they did not vote for the bill because it was a bad bill for reasons I have already laid out.
 
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