People in Hell

[Gentoo]

This is a funny . A 20th century Mystic and priest St Padre Pio who was known for his gifts of healing and stigmata, and visions once counseled a women in the confessional who told him the same statement. She said Father "I do not beleive in Hell." Padre Pio, Then looked intently as if seeing a vison of the women in the future and said to her in a serious voice. "You will believe in it when you get there." It frightended the women tremendously.

Sometimes the simplest and truest theological answers are found in the most profound mystics and saints.

Just my 2 cents

But to someone who truly doesn't believe in Hell, saying something like that would probably have no effect.

 

[Radio Frequency X]

This is a funny . A 20th century Mystic and priest St Padre Pio who was known for his gifts of healing and stigmata, and visions once counseled a women in the confessional who told him the same statement. She said Father "I do not beleive in Hell." Padre Pio, Then looked intently as if seeing a vison of the women in the future and said to her in a serious voice. "You will believe in it when you get there." It frightended the women tremendously.

Sometimes the simplest and truest theological answers are found in the most profound mystics and saints.

Just my 2 cents

What people call Hell is simply death - not being - or something like that. The God I know has not spoken to me of Hell, only hope, healing, and love. For me, that is enough here and now. If there is life after death, then I believe I will be with God, wherever that is... be it heaven or something like it. If there is nothing after death, then I can deal with that.

 

[may]

the original-language words that are sometimes rendered "hell"; in the bible , are sheol and hades and both of these words just mean ..............(the common grave of dead mankind) people who die are in hell and the bible says in John 5;28-29 that they will be resurrected, so God loves them.

 

[Katzpur]

My biggest interest lies with those who picked the second option.

For those of you who believe that God loves people in hell, why?

I picked that option, as the closest to my actual belief, which is somewhat more complex than that choice implies. The best explanation I could come up with would be to say that if my son were to commit some horrible crime and be sentenced to death for that crime, I would be filled with remorse, anger, bitterness, etc. etc. etc. for what he'd done. I don't think I could ever actually stop loving him, though.

 

[dbakerman76]

Its an irrelevant question since I don't believe in a supernatural hell. The only hell is the one of our own making (whatever that may end up being).

 

[tcprowling]

I voted irrelevant because there is no hell. Yaaaaaaaaaaay!

I think Chrisp might dis agree with you to day:rainbow1:

 

[rocka21]

I don't believe in Hell.

1. Matthew 23:33
   Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
   Matthew 23:32-34 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
2. Mark 9:43
   And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
   Mark 9:42-44 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
3. Mark 9:45
   And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
   Mark 9:44-46 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
4. Mark 9:47
   And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
   Mark 9:46-48 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

JESUS BELIEVED IN HELL:angel2:

 

[Majikthise]

It would depend on which god is in question.

In answer to athanasius's post,.. yeah, scare em' good!! That'll show em' the love.

 

[athanasius]

But to someone who truly doesn't believe in Hell, saying something like that would probably have no effect.

I understand what you are saying. But it affected this women(who didn't beleive in hell.) The mystics sometimes have a powerful Holy and convicting presence about them. Of coarse his stigmata and being able to read minds and heal may also have something to do with it. Truth is truth whether no one believes it or not. People may accept it or not. Its alot easier not to accept it because it gives you a license to do as you will with no "eternal" repercussions. But the Mystics and saints knew better. The nun who saw the Virgin Mary at fatima was shown a visionof Hell. She said something like "I would have died of fright if it were not for God protecting me".

People may beleive what they want. But I would put my Master Jesus's 2000 years old teaching and the mystics and saints as better informants than someones non-religous hunch. But thats just my 2 cents.

Feel free to dissagree with me as Padre Pio 20th century mystic would say, you will believe when you get there.

 

[KPereira]

Does God love people who are in Hell?

(If you're a Christian who believes in Hell, assume for the purpose of this question that at least some people have already arrived there.)

God loves everyone.

There is a parable in the Bible about a man with a vineyard who had two sons. One of the sons was a really hard worker. He was loyal to his father and obeyed him completely. The other wasn't so much. The 2nd son had the audacity to ask for his inheiritence before his father had actually passed away. However, the father still gave the son the money. The son travelled from city to city, wasting his inheiritence on booze, women, etc, etc. Eventually, the son ran out of money. He felt horribly guilty at what he had done and returned to his father's house saying 'I am not worthy to be your son, father. Send me to work with the slaves.' But the father embraced him and put a robe around him and had a huge feast for the son. Naturally, the loyal son was ticked off. He told his father 'He wastes your inheiritence money on sinful things and now he comes back and you treat him like a king. I have worked these fields for so many years and anything you have asked of me, I have done. Why don't I get a feast?'. The father replied 'Be happy that your brother has rejoiced and learned the error of his ways. He was strayed from the path but has returned. You have always been here but both of you are my sons and will always have a place in my heart.'

God loves everyone, pretty much regardless of what you have done (a few exceptions). If you repented your sins...you will not be punished. If you turn to God, He will love you just as the father loved the son who returned to him in the parable.
Hope this answered what you were asking.

 

[Gentoo]

I understand what you are saying. But it affected this women(who didn't beleive in hell.)

People who truly, 100% believe in Christianity and are confident in that believe can definately have an imposing stature to someone else. But I don't think that it's the belief, I think it's the confidence that changed her mind. I'd almost be willing to bet that if an atheist with the same amount of confidence that this person showed (but obviously in believing that there is no God or Hell) then she would have felt more secure in her beliefs.

Its alot easier not to accept it because it gives you a license to do as you will with no "eternal" repercussions.

Christianity isn't the only religion to have a set of guidelines and laws to uphold. I don't see any religion really going nuts having a licence to do what they want with no repercussions, eternal or not.

But the Mystics and saints knew better. The nun who saw the Virgin Mary at fatima was shown a visionof Hell. She said something like "I would have died of fright if it were not for God protecting me".

I think it's wonderful that someone can believe in something that much, having seen what she saw or not. I'm really happy for Anyone that's happy with what they know and believe.

But I would put my Master Jesus's 2000 years old teaching and the mystics and saints as better informants than someones non-religous hunch. But thats just my 2 cents.

Hmm... ::thinks:: what do you mean by 'someones non-religious hunch'? I would think that believing in no God and no Hell/Heaven is as much of a religious belief as believing in them.

Feel free to dissagree with me as Padre Pio 20th century mystic would say, you will believe when you get there.

Not so much disagreeing, but I think that we're thinking on two different levels, which is okay I think, that's how new ideas come along

 

[YmirGF]

Personally I think it is somewhat dimwitted and ill-advised to worship a psychopathic god. I DO hope it all works out for those who believe in such a spiritually bankrupt vision of "god". Well, to be fair, at least when folks who believe in such an insignificant form of diety find out how wrong they are, they will also be pleasantly surprised.

 

[athanasius]

People who truly, 100% believe in Christianity and are confident in that believe can definately have an imposing stature to someone else. But I don't think that it's the belief, I think it's the confidence that changed her mind. I'd almost be willing to bet that if an atheist with the same amount of confidence that this person showed (but obviously in believing that there is no God or Hell) then she would have felt more secure in her beliefs.



Christianity isn't the only religion to have a set of guidelines and laws to uphold. I don't see any religion really going nuts having a licence to do what they want with no repercussions, eternal or not.



I think it's wonderful that someone can believe in something that much, having seen what she saw or not. I'm really happy for Anyone that's happy with what they know and believe.



Hmm... ::thinks:: what do you mean by 'someones non-religious hunch'? I would think that believing in no God and no Hell/Heaven is as much of a religious belief as believing in them.



Not so much disagreeing, but I think that we're thinking on two different levels, which is okay I think, that's how new ideas come along

I appreciate your input. Thank you my friend. It is true that some wouldn't believe even if confronted by mystics and miracles. We all have free will. There were many that didn't believe in Jesus or his teching of hell and other doctrines even after they saw the miracles he did. Some people just have hardened there hearts so much that they can't open the possiblity in thier mind and heart that these things may be true. Its just how some people are. No offense.

 

[Gentoo]

I appreciate your input. Thank you my friend. It is true that some wouldn't believe even if confronted by mystics and miracles. We all have free will. There were many that didn't believe in Jesus or his teching of hell and other doctrines even after they saw the miracles he did. Some people just have hardened there hearts so much that they can't open the possiblity in thier mind and heart that these things may be true. Its just how some people are. No offense.

None taken

It's true that some people have hardened their hearts to outside teachings, and I find that very sad. I remember going to a Catholic service not too long ago, and the sermon was about how peoples hearts are like two different types of soil, hard and soft. The message of Jesus was like a seed. The question was 'where would the seed most likely germinate?' I personally think that works even outside Christianity. Though I'm not Catholic anymore, I still remember that sermon and try to apply it to my daily life.

Peace be with you

 

[logician]

I appreciate your input. Thank you my friend. It is true that some wouldn't believe even if confronted by mystics and miracles. We all have free will. There were many that didn't believe in Jesus or his teching of hell and other doctrines even after they saw the miracles he did. Some people just have hardened there hearts so much that they can't open the possiblity in thier mind and heart that these things may be true. Its just how some people are. No offense.

Too bad there is no hard evidence that the man even lived, so why should we believe the stories surrounding the personna?

 

[athanasius]

Too bad there is no hard evidence that the man even lived, so why should we believe the stories surrounding the personna?

Your right. The early historical Martyrology and fathers of the church could not possibly be a evidence nor could miracles(Lourdes, Fatima, current eucharistic miracles signed off by science) or mystics. All these people including the apostles just died for a empty cause because he never existed.

Ok your a supposed athiest so are manyuof my friends. Your mind is already made up so there is no real argument that anyone can present you with. But the majority of historians even secular ones I know of would laugh at you. I cannot say why you are so anti-God or anti-Christ.

Maybe something happended early in your family life that made you not believe. Maybe you have had a disease or loist a loved one and are angry(been there done that). But whatever the case is, the point to debate this with you is mute because you cannot look at the majority of historical evidence objectively as most historians have come to see that at least they admit Jesus of Nazareth lived evemn if they do not believe he was who he said he was.

Sorry but you will not get a debate out of me for that. Be angry at Jesus and God on your own time and stop wasting ours.

 

[Majikthise]

None taken

It's true that some people have hardened their hearts to outside teachings, and I find that very sad. I remember going to a Catholic service not too long ago, and the sermon was about how peoples hearts are like two different types of soil, hard and soft. The message of Jesus was like a seed. The question was 'where would the seed most likely germinate?' I personally think that works even outside Christianity. Though I'm not Catholic anymore, I still remember that sermon and try to apply it to my daily life.

Peace be with you

There is a difference between hardening your heart and spending half your life coming to a logical conclusion. I need not harden my heart one iota to embrace my atheism. Your heart pumps blood to keep you alive. It is your mind that needs to open to ideas.:yes:

Dan

 

[Gentoo]

There is a difference between hardening your heart and spending half your life coming to a logical conclusion. I need not harden my heart one iota to embrace my atheism. Your heart pumps blood to keep you alive. It is your mind that needs to open to ideas.:yes:

Dan

You've opened you're heart/mind to atheism When I say that someone has hardened their heart, I'm referring to: "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG!! LALALALALALALA!!!" In other words, completely shutting off to new ideas.

 

[Majikthise]

Ok your a supposed athiest so are manyuof my friends. Your mind is already made up so there is no real argument that anyone can present you with. But the majority of historians even secular ones I know of would laugh at you. I cannot say why you are so anti-God or anti-Christ..

My friend, from other threads you have posted in , you seem very anti-atheist. From your preconceptions of how atheists think, I'd say you could stand to learn a few things yourself. But that's what we are here for. Lighten up a little, we're friends here.

 

[Majikthise]

You've opened you're heart/mind to atheism When I say that someone has hardened their heart, I'm referring to: "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG!! LALALALALALALA!!!" In other words, completely shutting off to new ideas.

Quite, thank you. I appear to have misunderstood your meaning. I'm here to learn just like you.