james blunt
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Exactly, the ''perpetual'' as noted with quotation is the water will have no loss because it is sealed in. The water will be perpetual force until atomic decay.
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''Perpetual'' free energy cell
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Shadow Wolf
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Perpetual energy would be a tremendous discovery, perhaps one of the biggest in history since we learned to make and control fire.
james blunt
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I know, perpetual to the extent of until atomic decay is pretty good and probably as good as it gets.
Yes. It's probably feasible but I have no idea of efficiency compared to say solar.
It is interesting though that problems can be solved in a wide variety of ways but then efficiency come into play. Aka rube Goldberg.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Science demonstrates that your claims aren't much different than the kid who years ago made sugar crystals by placing a string in sugar water and claiming the "rapid formation of the cubes" disproves evolution and an old earth by showing stalactites and stalagmites aren't as old as what scientists claim because clearly they form much faster than what scientists believe.
james blunt
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Bare in mind I have made the modular's small, rows will produce quite a lot of energy, I have improvement obviously to be made on the design. I think it is a workable ''winner''.
james blunt
Well-Known Member
Can you read ?
Piezoelectric balance presented by Pierre Curie to Lord Kelvin, Hunterian Museum, Glasgow
Piezoelectricity is the electric charge that accumulates in certain solid materials (such as crystals, certain ceramics, and biological matter such as bone, DNA and various proteins)[1] in response to applied mechanical stress.
Science demonstrates stress = electricity
My idea uses that so why wouldn't it work?
It could work.
Volumetric volume changes in the device due to external pressure &
temperature changes would perform work, which is converted to electricity.
The problem....
Miniscule output.
james blunt
Well-Known Member
Minuscule until we electrical engineer ''Tesla coils'' to the device to increase output levels.
Consider a cube of cubes attached to a ''Tesla coil''.
Piezoelectric material produces electricity when in motion or under stress. Water expands when heat is added or when it freezes. So it will just keep producing electricity until the material atomic decays .
These cells can also be made larger, they could make building blocks, inside the ''house'' would survive an ice age.
p.s Your thanks are enough Mr Pope, your welcome...Still working on zero point energy.
OK, how much does water expand from a given amount of energy? How much stress will that produce in the piezoelectric material? How much voltage will that produce in the material? What resistance will you have in the wires? How much energy will that produce? And, then, how much will that cause the water to expand?
You should do a detailed energy balance analysis of this. Then you will see why it fails.
Adding coils won't increase the tiny work potential.
Yea but you are doing what solar panels are doing already. I could say I have created a pollution free car it runs on steam. I attach solar panels to the roof it heats the water and the car is put into motion. Yes viable but not efficient. I can't say if what this is is efficient my guess by market place it's not.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Worse yet, still not perpetual motion. If there is a temperature change and the container is sealed that will created a minuscule voltage, but that is not free energy and if that is tapped then one must add energy to make a reverse pressure to generate voltage in the other direction. Again a minuscule voltage that would not even come close to generating the energy necessary to keep the cube changing size.
Assume the device is breadbox sized.
Rounding off to the nearest watt, the answer to each question is zero.
(I know it's a cheating assumption, but it simplifies calculations enormously.)
james blunt
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I can't answer those questions, I am the thinker, I am not a mathematician. WE are science, work with me , not against me, Help me , help us.
That is how it works, test my ideas. I will help all I can .
Energy amplification is not that difficult of a concept.
That was my point it's an efficiency issue not if it works issue.
Yes But if you add an amplifier to it the piezo pickup in my guitar it is really loud.
Btw as a side note I was being a smart *** just in case anyone reads this and thinks I am serious.
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Well, the OP didn't say "perpetual motion", which
would mean more than merely "perpetual".
I'll slide this in here, close to accurate, but I've forgotten all the stats because of my age and four strokes, but here goes:
Piezoelectric materials, at rest with no external stimulus, exert zero charge.
Connecting opposing materials with dissimilar polarities through a given zero resistance conductor would give a discharge joule amount of .767 joules/mm through a zero ohm conductor. The resulting work that would be obtained would be no physical energy in a single sample of material, resulting in a loss of the joules generated by the self applied expansion. Adding some resistance to the load would result in some amount of reactive response with the pressure applied, but the result would be a 75% loss in the application of the voltage generated. External pressure has to applied continually for the effect to continue, statically or sinusoidaly this effect is not perpetual unless the pressure is eliminated.
And on and on....
NuffStuff
Piezoelectric materials, at rest with no external stimulus, exert zero charge.
Connecting opposing materials with dissimilar polarities through a given zero resistance conductor would give a discharge joule amount of .767 joules/mm through a zero ohm conductor. The resulting work that would be obtained would be no physical energy in a single sample of material, resulting in a loss of the joules generated by the self applied expansion. Adding some resistance to the load would result in some amount of reactive response with the pressure applied, but the result would be a 75% loss in the application of the voltage generated. External pressure has to applied continually for the effect to continue, statically or sinusoidaly this effect is not perpetual unless the pressure is eliminated.
And on and on....
NuffStuff