''Perpetual'' free energy cell

[james blunt]

Adding coils won't increase the tiny work potential.

I have not completed the idea yet , give me chance . The premise works though in theory ?

Worth pursuing.

 

[james blunt]

I guess he will just have to use it to make music then:

I ''love'' Tesla.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have not completed the idea yet , give me chance . The premise works though in theory ?

Worth pursuing.

It would be a great learning experience.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, how much does water expand from a given amount of energy? How much stress will that produce in the piezoelectric material? How much voltage will that produce in the material? What resistance will you have in the wires? How much energy will that produce? And, then, how much will that cause the water to expand?

You should do a detailed energy balance analysis of this. Then you will see why it fails.

But that sounds like work.

Even worse, it involves math above the elementary school level.

 

[james blunt]

I'll slide this in here, close to accurate, but I've forgotten all the stats because of my age and four strokes, but here goes:
Piezoelectric materials, at rest with no external stimulus, exert zero charge.
Connecting opposing materials with dissimilar polarities through a given zero resistance conductor would give a discharge joule amount of .767 joules/mm through a zero ohm conductor. The resulting work that would be obtained would be no physical energy in a single sample of material, resulting in a loss of the joules generated by the self applied expansion. Adding some resistance to the load would result in some amount of reactive response with the pressure applied, but the result would be a 75% loss in the application of the voltage generated. External pressure has to applied continually for the effect to continue, statically or sinusoidaly this effect is not perpetual unless the pressure is eliminated.
And on and on....
NuffStuff

I considered I needed external pressure also, that is why the cube in a cube gives a core .

I am still working on it, a system with 'no' input cannot be at a loss ever. If the system uses the environment then that is free by definition.

 

[Audie]

I will give the world this freely to use, nobody can patent the idea because I have already give it you all free and it is for the world and not any ''I''.

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Make one and win world wide acclaim.

No?

 

[james blunt]

It would be a great learning experience.

Yes it would be, interesting to see the results . We maybe could then expand on the idea and get something really good from the idea.

 

[james blunt]

Make one and win world wide acclaim.

No?

No money, no tech support, just a nobody with great ideas that generally gets called insane.

 

[Audie]

Do you understand why this not a great idea?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I considered I needed external pressure also, that is why the cube in a cube gives a core .

I am still working on it, a system with 'no' input cannot be at a loss ever. If the system uses the environment then that is free by definition.

No, one must understand context. The phase "free energy" already has a common usage. What you would be describing is renewable energy, not "free energy".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you understand why this not a great idea?

I see that you forgot who you are talking to.

 

[Audie]

I see that you forgot who you are talking to.

No

 

[james blunt]

But that sounds like work.

Even worse, it involves math above the elementary school level.

Say it takes me 5 years to learn the maths, that is 5 years of time lost when we already have the people who can work out the maths.

 

[`mud]

Close....but no cigar.
Find materials with enough polarity differences and go from there,
the transistor is close, Gold cyanide vs Lithium Prussite gets closer.
The water angle is to dependent on temperature changes...
But....go for it !

 

[Subduction Zone]

Say it takes me 5 years to learn the maths, that is 5 years of time lost when we already have the people who can work out the maths.

And people that already understand the math know why this does not work. Your claim, that this would produce energy, the burden of proof is upon you.

 

[james blunt]

And people that already understand the math know why this does not work. Your claim, that this would produce energy, the burden of proof is upon you.

High energy entropy is always attracted to the lower state entropy. Space-time will curve towards the mass and the water will naturally gain expansion even if only a fraction . This then will produce a minuscule amount of electricity in the materials. The water will absorb some of the energy which will then increase the energy in the water increasing the expansion creating more charge, etc etc.

 

[james blunt]

And people that already understand the math know why this does not work. Your claim, that this would produce energy, the burden of proof is upon you.

I have demonstrated the physics, if you want more proof stop being lazy if you have money and experiment.

 

[`mud]

But the valence potential will kill it in the long run !

 

[Revoltingest]

No, one must understand context. The phase "free energy" already has a common usage. What you would be describing is renewable energy, not "free energy".

Aye, for non-technical types, it's easy to use ordinary English which
accidentally uses jargon. This muddies the meaning conveyed.
So I cut our friend some slack.

At least his device could work...sort of.
It beats what one friend wants to make...
The mercury vortex anti-gravity field generator.

 

[Subduction Zone]

High energy entropy is always attracted to the lower state entropy. Space-time will curve towards the mass and the water will naturally gain expansion even if only a fraction . This then will produce a minuscule amount of electricity in the materials. The water will absorb some of the energy which will then increase the energy in the water increasing the expansion creating more charge, etc etc.

Instead of psycho-babble here we have an example of science-babble.