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[Rick O'Shez]

It kinda baffles me as to just why would a person want to walk in a hostile orientated environment in the first place?

Maybe they read that bit about "Love your neighbour as yourself" and assumed it applied to everybody.

 

[Riders]

It kinda baffles me as to just why would a person want to walk in a hostile orientated environment in the first place?

If a church proves non conformist or less than stellar in any capacity, then it's clearly not for those at odds.

Isn't there something about bearing fruit?

Theres no way I can know that until I go into a church if the church member lie about the faith and invite me I wont know till I get there.

 

[BSM1]

... except in the post I quoted?


Good luck with that.

Not sure what you're talking about. If you can't apologize when you're wrong, how can you ask that of others?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Theres no way I can know that until I go into a church if the church member lie about the faith and invite me I wont know till I get there.

Yea. I've walked into my share already.

Preconceived notions can certainly be the proverbial square peg in a round hole, but a good thing would be, that you would know afterwards.

I would just walk into the sunset carrying my square peg with me.

 

[columbus]

Theres no way I can know that until I go into a church if the church member lie about the faith and invite me I wont know till I get there.

Yes there is.
Basic informed competence will let you know that conservative Abrahamic religionists are not usually LBGT welcoming. Some are, but they are the exception to the rule.

If you feel drawn to socially conservative Christianity in the USA, fine. I am. I get it.
But blaming them for your reaction to the standard issue teachings is ridiculous. They are what they are and so are you.

This reminds me of another thread. Cis-people blaming trans-folk for the results of their own unwillingness to deal with the reality of 21st century civilization.
Get over your attitudes and become a competent adult in the Information Age.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not sure what you're talking about. If you can't apologize when you're wrong, how can you ask that of others?

Except I wasn't wrong. You realize your posts are here for everyone to see, right?

 

[fantome profane]

Except I wasn't wrong. You realize your posts are here for everyone to see, right?

Ok then. As some who witnessed this exchange, I have to tell you that although you are technically correct I think you are being unfair. Yes, you are correct, he did defend those who spoke out against the LGTB community. But anytime we speak up in support of free speech we run the risk of defending some horrible ideas. I am not saying you owe him an apology, but I am saying that perhaps you should look at his comment not in terms of defending someone speaking out against LGTB, but in terms of someone defending the basic concept of free speech.

That is how I saw his comment.

 

[BSM1]

Except I wasn't wrong. You realize your posts are here for everyone to see, right?

Cite one.

 

[JoStories]

IMO, you don't have to throw someone out of your organization to be doing something wrong to them. Simply portraying gay people as "unnatural" or any of the other hurtful things many religious people say about gay people is doing too much damage to be accepted. "Trying to persuade" a gay person to somehow not be gay is just as bad as kicking them out of church. Worse, maybe, because of how patronizing it is.

You've got gay kids committing suicide left and right, feeling depressed and unwanted, simply because they are being portrayed in a bad light by people spewing religious dogma. It needs to stop, and this kind of backwards view is the reason religion is dying rapidly and those claiming no religious affiliation are increasing at a rate humanity has never seen.

Why can't the religious give up the War on Gays? Why is it such a sticking point?

First, excellent post Demon. And my two cents for your last questions would be that to admit that, or rather accept gays as normal would be to countermand the Bible, as in the passage in the OT in Leviticus. If they do that, are they then saying the Bible is wrong? And if that is true, what does that mean for the rest of the Bible?

 

[JoStories]

Not trying to be argumentative but "the religious" do not have to give up their "War on Gays". This is their belief and they are entitled to it. By the same token gays or any other segmented faction can opt to find a religion or a religious sect that will be more accepting and loving. Trying to force someone or some group usually ends badly for all participants.

Segmented faction? I see. I am some part of a group that is less than the rest of you. Well friend, I am as normal as you are and your post is, IMO, an affront to me and all those like me. Would you like to put me in an internment camp? Or perhaps on some remote island where we would not be a part of your everyday life? Well, let me tell you...we are not going anywhere and this "segmented faction individual" will be living just as if I were your next door neighbor. And btw, I never forced myself or beliefs on anyone. For someone who claims to be Buddhist, you seem to have forgotten a goodly part of what The Buddha taught.

 

[JoStories]

Well I think if your using the term accepting and tolerant its a lie, with the whole GLBTQ issue being a big deal these days , most people will take that as accepting of those regardless of sexual orientation.

Another way nondenominational churches lie that irritates me is saying they are universal and accepting of all religions.Nondenominational means the church doesn't care what denomination you belong to as in Christian denomination.

If it meant different religions Nondenominational church would allow Pagans to do witchcraft rituals at the church.

But it doesn't allow that and neither does your church allow folks from other religions there without giving them a heavy dose of communicating to them they need Jesus and need to convert.

That's not Universal at all, but its just because Universal church have become more accepted of late and the Nondenoms want to use that word to say they are accepting describe themselves as something theyre not. Non denominational is no the same thing as Universal, and Ive had a few Nondenoms try to convince me they are.

There is a church that does allow any and all faiths to be a part of the group and that is the Unity church. They have Buddhist meditation at the start of each gathering, and all faiths are welcome to participate, which includes pagan rites, Muslims, Jews, and so on. And furthermore, there is NO person who is abnormal. Everyone is human. Something people seem to have forgotten with regard to the LBGT community.

 

[JoStories]

Want to make a betty bet, if I'm expecting someone to be accepting of me and my lesbian girlfriend when I go to church arm and arm with her and we get hate messages about homosexuality while were theyre,Im going to be completely traumatized. That in no way compares to a stupid perfume commercial.

Why in the world would you be traumatized? My late partner and I would go to her Roman Catholic church from time to time as she was from Cuba and was Catholic. I never ever felt anything but pride in her for her bravery and courage to stand up to an institution that is so remotely antiquated. Frankly, what others thought of us didn't give me a moment's thought.

 

[JoStories]

It seems you are doing that which you are despising. It seems you are forcing your views on others. If you are not happy with your particular religious group, start your own.

No one is forcing anyone. We are human, period. We are no different than you. Why is it you and your kind are so damned threatened? What do you think is going to happen Chicken Little? You see the sky falling...love that Bond movie!. Mother of Zeus..I am so damned tired of people trying to marginalize others simply because of how we were born. Did you choose to be heterosexual or was it natural to you? and if it was, why the hell do you think it would be different for us?

 

[JoStories]

Not chaining me to a pew doesn't make it ok to lie to and manipulate people.

Why do you care so much? You cannot change another soul on the face of the earth save yourself. That is a simple fact. You are only responsible for yourself. So if this church gets you steamed, which it obviously does, or at least Huffington Post, go somewhere else and stop complaining. You will not change them. And so freaking what? Its their loss for pete's sake.

 

[JoStories]

Yes there is.
Basic informed competence will let you know that conservative Abrahamic religionists are not usually LBGT welcoming. Some are, but they are the exception to the rule.

If you feel drawn to socially conservative Christianity in the USA, fine. I am. I get it.
But blaming them for your reaction to the standard issue teachings is ridiculous. They are what they are and so are you.

This reminds me of another thread. Cis-people blaming trans-folk for the results of their own unwillingness to deal with the reality of 21st century civilization.
Get over your attitudes and become a competent adult in the Information Age.
Tom

brilliantly stated Tom. This needed a repost!

 

[JoStories]

Cite one.

Right here below. You make a statement, which I agree is your right, that GLBT are a 'segmented faction'. That right there is marginalizing a bunch of people for no reason other than how they were born to express their sexuality. Unless you can truly state you chose your sexuality, assuming you're heterosexual, please tell me how this is fair to those of us who are gay?

Not trying to be argumentative but "the religious" do not have to give up their "War on Gays". This is their belief and they are entitled to it. By the same token gays or any other segmented faction can opt to find a religion or a religious sect that will be more accepting and loving. Trying to force someone or some group usually ends badly for all participants.

 

[BSM1]

No one is forcing anyone. We are human, period. We are no different than you. Why is it you and your kind are so damned threatened? What do you think is going to happen Chicken Little? You see the sky falling...love that Bond movie!. Mother of Zeus..I am so damned tired of people trying to marginalize others simply because of how we were born. Did you choose to be heterosexual or was it natural to you? and if it was, why the hell do you think it would be different for us?

You, sir or madam, have taken my post out of context with no idea of my meaning.

 

[Riders]

Yes there is.
Basic informed competence will let you know that conservative Abrahamic religionists are not usually LBGT welcoming. Some are, but they are the exception to the rule.

If you feel drawn to socially conservative Christianity in the USA, fine. I am. I get it.
But blaming them for your reaction to the standard issue teachings is ridiculous. They are what they are and so are you.

This reminds me of another thread. Cis-people blaming trans-folk for the results of their own unwillingness to deal with the reality of 21st century civilization.
Get over your attitudes and become a competent adult in the Information Age.
Tom

I did not blame you for anything. Your dodjing the issue. The issue is the fact that members of your church are willing to lie to people to make it sound like your welcoming of GLBTS without trying to change them;

Yes there is.
Basic informed competence will let you know that conservative Abrahamic religionists are not usually LBGT welcoming. Some are, but they are the exception to the rule.

If you feel drawn to socially conservative Christianity in the USA, fine. I am. I get it.
But blaming them for your reaction to the standard issue teachings is ridiculous. They are what they are and so are you.

This reminds me of another thread. Cis-people blaming trans-folk for the results of their own unwillingness to deal with the reality of 21st century civilization.
Get over your attitudes and become a competent adult in the Information Age.
Tom

The issue is not blaming you for anything that has nothing to do with anything. the only thing I'm accusing you of is lieing. If you claim to be welcoming of GLBTs when your not and lie about being welcoming of folks from other relkigions when your not.
and welcoming of people from different religions, and equating Nondenominationalism to Universalism when its a lie, lie lie lie,

 

[Riders]

The truth is that your defending lieing to people that's it that's all there is to this and nothing else. Just answer me this question one question, is it ok with your church that you lie about being more welcoming then you are is it?

 

[Riders]

Your not welcoming at all. You only welcome people who are going to submit and bend to your legalistic ways, making yourself sound welcoming of others from different religions is a lie. Its a scam and a lie. I don't blame you guys for doing anything theres no blame none.

I'm happy with my experiences because I'm not going to your church no blame. Its just a scam simple as that.You don't want to take responsibility for scamming people ,that's all there is to it.

But I have a newsflash for and everyone on this thread who takes the side of the conservative church in this thread, the bible says trickery and lieing is a sin and Gods gonna hold you responsible for that. But all the ridiculous talk about how stupid I am and idiotic it is,well I'm not the only one theres a whole bunch of us. Huffington post says its one reason churches are dieing, have any of you even read the original story btw? Isnt Huffington Post a Christian publication, so I got this from your own people. If your own people are saying its not rediculous