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Jesus was a Pharisee. He communicated with his brotherhood. I wasn't defending the Pharisees, I was defending Jesus's position of disagreement.Then why did you defend the Pharisees?
Jesus was not a Pharisee. In fact, He disputed their teachings many times. He called them a brood of vipers and accused them of being hypocrites who "clean the outside of the cup" only.Jesus was a Pharisee. He communicated with his brotherhood. I wasn't defending the Pharisees, I was defending Jesus's position of disagreement.
When I was an evangelist and street preacher, I often reminded other Christians of 1 Peter 3:15–16 whenever they treated non-Christians (and oftentimes other Christians) with contempt, which frequently included false accusations of hating and/or rebelling against God, as well as extreme sarcasm towards non-Christians whenever they attempted to reason with the Christian. I thought that it was most unfortunate that I had to remind Christians of this Bible passage, as well as remind them to "love your neighbor as yourself," "love your enemies, pray for your enemies, do good to your enemies," and "treat others the way you would like to be treated." I remember thinking how these Christians marred the name of Jesus by their rude and hypocritical judgmental behavior towards non-Christians and even towards other Christians who adhered to different doctrinal beliefs and biblical interpretations. However, they lacked the humility to acknowledge that their behavior was severely tainting their Christian witness and damaging their personal reputation. Honestly, I've seen this kind of self-righteousness among a few professing Christians on this forum. What I've seen so far makes me feel relieved that I'm no longer a Christian.
I think that it's entirely possible that Jesus had been a Pharisee. Many people have pointed out that Jesus used some of their doctrines in his preaching. Since Jesus accused the Pharisees of being hypocrites, then he may have had some inside information about them. What better way to have that information than to have been one of them.Jesus was not a Pharisee. In fact, He disputed their teachings many times. He called them a brood of vipers and accused them of being hypocrites who "clean the outside of the cup" only.
Where did you get the idea that He was a Pharisee?
The enemies spoken of, one's household are the enemies in your own mind. This could be an ethnic attachment, that makes you discount others who are not with the clan. Or if you are by the book, and someone does not follow the book, that enemy you see, is your own creation, by your excessive strictness. The other person may not consciously do anything to hurt you, but rather you let it hurt you, due to a code, and act like it is crime. Freedom of speech is taken away by those who let "noises" bother them. Turn the other cheek, means man-up and don't be a wimp, so words can come and go, and no harm is done so free speech can reign.Mathew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]
I appreciate what you wrote, or at least most of it. It is well thought out and is real food for thought.One mistake often made about Christianity, is to not look at its long history of success, as a first world entity. That religion could not been as successful, without its people and its followers. Many fixate of Church politics, of the days gone by, but not on the rank and file who would have been needed to maintain the stability capacitance in spite of these policies. This was a combination of works and correct attitude. Over the past 2000 years it is hard to find any other religion with as much influence on the future.
These topics are like critics complaining about a team, and forgetting they won five world championships. Obviously the critics are not coaches, but more like armchair quarterbacks, analyzing the game, the day after it is done; revisionist history.
The concept of turning the other cheek is often misunderstood.
The enemies spoken of, one's household are the enemies in your own mind. This could be an ethnic attachment, that makes you discount others who are not with the clan. Or if you are by the book, and someone does not follow the book, that enemy you see, is your own creation, by your excessive strictness. The other person may not consciously do anything to hurt you, but rather you let it hurt you, due to a code, and act like it is crime. Freedom of speech is taken away by those who let "noises" bother them. Turn the other cheek, means man-up and don't be a wimp, so words can come and go, and no harm is done so free speech can reign.
Turn the other cheek, is not about genuine offenses against you; sticks and stones. You may not like a person due to racism. This anger is not due to the actions of the other person, who minds their own business. But this is due to your bias creating a perceived offense. Turn the other cheek was about the process of becoming self aware, until all those self impose subjective judgements are no longer there. Life becomes much easier and less stressful. Following Jesus and the Spirit, was blasphemy to man. This subjective enemy would divide families even though those who love the spirit were peaceful and do not real harm to the family, beyond the subjective violation.
So many Democrats blame Trump based on fake news conditioning, and not base on any direct harm to them, personally. It is like a version of racism which the Left excels in. Often what is projected as a future harm, is not yet real, like Trump will morph into Hitler. Turn the other cheek, is about doing a self assessment, to make sure there is something tangible, and the punishment is worth an actual physical crime. The perception of crime, connected to your own emotional problems and bias, but lacking of contact with reality, driving your unconscious hate and fear, is a faux violation. Turn the cheek is about the realization, there was never any real enemies among your brothers and sisters
Christianity, was already a very large group, and there was enough work, just getting along with your neighbors, avoiding adding emotional baggage for each other's projected problems and wants, that were not really there. Take a step back, count to ten, and see if this was just a grudge reflex. Often siblings may have blowouts for trivial reasons, that lead to walls of judgement. It is better to come to terms, by turning the other cheek, as a peace offering. In the end, you will not lose family time together.
If you look at young Palestinian immigrants, who may have had a good life in the US, why hate Jews when there is no direct evidence that you suffered, as much as you hate? That extra hate is all in your head, even if you assume you are a self appointed avenging angel. Turn the other cheek, starts healing in your own soul. Christians learned to do this, which leads to psychological health and cooperation, without needing a mutual projected enemy, like Liberalism.
There is enough work for each person to learn to control their own weaknesses and not be abusive to others. Liberals want a punching bag for their own projected problems, but it is not healthy for anyone to accommodate this. Healthy is about controlling the enemies of your own mind and release as many as possible.
You mean you know what the Baha'i religion says about Christianity and what Baha'i says the "real" meanings of the Bible are. It's the same with Baha'is and every other religion, thinking they know what those religions "really" teach and they need to be rescued from their wrong thinking by Baha'i religion. That's why Baha'i religion doesn't have a good reputation on this board. People get sick of the arrogance. But I guess Baha'is are playing a role in world peace, as you've gotten Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. all to be against you. Lol.
If he were not a Pharisee, what faction do you believe he ascribed to?Jesus was not a Pharisee. In fact, He disputed their teachings many times. He called them a brood of vipers and accused them of being hypocrites who "clean the outside of the cup" only.
Where did you get the idea that He was a Pharisee?
He "ascribed" to what He learned from His Father in heaven. He said "I am the way, the truth, and the life". He taught a new doctrine.. He was neither an Essene nor a Pharisee. He taught an entirely new doctrine that far surpassed that of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, etc.If he were not a Pharisee, what faction do you believe he ascribed to?
John the Baptist was Essene, correct? Jesus was enthralled and influenced by Essene thought, and perhaps leaned that way, however, he carried himself as a Pharisee. He was of modest means, educated in Torah, and was comfortable in discussions and challenges with known Pharisees. Even at the age of 12, according to the Gospels, he was drawn to challenging thought.
I also believe you'll find that modern day Jews, such as Hyam Maccoby and Amy-Jill Levine, that have examined the historic Jesus agree he was an outspoken Pharisee. Jesus generally taught the same theology as Hillel the Elder from previous times, who was indeed Pharisee taught, and became the Nasi of the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin was made up from both Pharisees and Sadducees. Nicodemus was also member of the Sanhedrin as a Pharisee.
He was not only "Son of God," but also "Son of Man." His humanity should never be overshadowed by his being the Father's firstborn of the dead, IMO.He "ascribed" to what He learned from His Father in heaven. He said "I am the way, the truth, and the life". He taught a new doctrine.. He was neither an Essene nor a Pharisee. He taught an entirely new doctrine that far surpassed that of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, etc.
Remember in John 3:10 when Jesus said to Nicodemus "Are you the teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?"
It's called sarcasm.That is funny? Really?
Peace to all,
True, we know, Forgive first, remain blameless, spotless in the becoming of the Will of Creation.
In logic and through faith in The Christ, we are reborn, from first born created mortal and corrupt from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being becoming immortal and incorruptible from the Baptism of John in the living waters of the Sanctified Will of Creation. The Holy Spirit Person of God becomes in the Soul through the Word becomes flesh and is shared becoming the immortal and incorruptible Body becoming the Christ from the Holy Spirit through the flesh delivered for the Souls of Jesus becoming again the manifestation of our being shared in union with all mankind.
And we are saved as we become again through Penance and Sacrifice in Confirmation re-Sanctified in our own soul through Atonement of sin in Confession and hearing the Words of Absolution forgiven in Penance and Sacrifice of The Host that transforms and transfigures through contact of Jesus in the Will of The Father as The Christ uniting Creation. We become again in union with all mankind as one in being together with the Father and the Son glorified and transfigured as the image of The Creator God for The Father.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Peace to all,
Thanks, and to me the logic is the same that follows the Kingdom of The Divine Will Louisa Piccarreta speaks of and models the Trinity of the Body as the Trinity of the Godhead. To me Louisa confirmed in the logic and through faith and to me is what will Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality.
To me in logic, the "Values" are the state of the spirit and we become the state of the spirit through manifestation. The works of the flesh manifests the being in the body and the last know good state of the spirit is in the becoming, what will become from choice. We in logic become from the intelligence of the selected spirit from choice, the spirit manifested through the flesh for the soul of the being. To me in logic, Jesus is conceived in the Holy Spirit intelligence and is the Will of Creation as The Word, the Person of the Holy Spirit conceived in the Person of Jesus as The Christ, through the Immaculate Conception in the Virgin Birth of The Christ in logic, two people of the Trinity in one being becoming again the image of creation as one in being together with the Father and The Son, glorified and transfigured. The Christ is in logic, the mind of God and is the Word, The Person of the Holy Spirit in the Person of Jesus as The Christ becoming all mankind, Baptized, becoming from mortal and corrupt to immortal and incorruptible. And we become again through all of the Wondrous mysteries in the Faith. The Holy Spirit Will of The Creator God is in logic and faith to me made clear in logic from Louisa Piccarreta and her writings in the papers she wrote as, "Little Daughter of the Divine Will" in The Kingdom of The Divine Will and is the intelligence that manifests from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being to do exactaly, "What Jesus would do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality."
Peace always,
Stephen andrew
Peace to all,
True, thanks and in logic, perhaps never before quite seen:
To me in logic and faith and keeping with the Op's "Physical Christianity," we are created mortal and corrupt, becoming transformed immortal and incorruptible and becoming again, glorified and transfigured.
The logic of the First Pentecost is of the Immaculate Conception and The Queen of Heaven, Mary.
In logic to me is the will of creation first came to Mary in 0AD (Anno Domini) Latin for the Beginning of Church time when Mary said, "Let it be done to me in accordance to Your Will." The Will of Creation first becomes to the logical "First Pentecost" and the manifestation of God in man first in Mary's spirit and flesh becoming immortal and incorruptible from the Holy Spirit through Mary's flesh for the soul of Mary's being in the Body of The Immaculate Conception, Mary and the First Disciple of Christ. And through the Virgin Birth of the Firstborn Christ, Jesus in 33 AD the blood and water flowed from the Cross. Christ birth from the cross is the "Firstborn" Christ Delivered to earth in the New Ark of the Covenant through the New Eve, Mary, The Mother of God and the "Christ" birth back to Heaven from where He came reopens the gates of Heaven for all mankind becoming from mortal and corrupt reborn immortalized and made incorruptible and become again glorified and saved as transfigured.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew