Picture of Mars vs. the earth. So how did Moses know?

[SkepticThinker]

Yes it makes sense.

How?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you mean the sort of evidence that mentions a leader of the Hebrews in Egypt named Moses who led the Hebrews out of Egypt or will things that are less definite suffice.

And we've come round to the start again. A story in an old book isn't evidence of someone existing.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't know if or what He wrote down.

Nothing, apparently.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's difficult to explain because sceptics usually dismiss things that are obvious because they are supposed to be subjective.
You seem to think the universe was not designed however. Can you elaborate on that?

No human being should accept things for which there is no good evidence. Skeptic, or not.

You don't just get to claim something is "obvious" without explaining yourself, because clearly it isn't obvious to everyone, is it? I just told you I don't see design in the universe and explained why. You completely ignored it for some reason.

Can you please answer the questions, just for once, without trying to deflect?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The answer is not Goddidit every time but when you say, "let's figure it out" you really mean, let's ignore anything except science which cannot find a God and so always comes up with naturalistic answers even if Goddidit.

No, I mean, let's observe, measure, test and repeat, to see what is going on here. Science is a methodology. And it's the best one we've got since it's given us all knowledge we currently hold about the world around us. If your way is better, then please demonstrate that.

And as I explained earlier, our scientific explanations of the universe seem to work just fine without the need to insert God(s) into them. If you think God(s) are required, then you'd need to demonstrate that. I really wish you could grasp this.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's nice to know something about evolution but that says nothing about the origins of man unless you presume that life comes from chemicals and chemicals just happened etc.

Life is composed of chemicals. Your entire body is teeming with chemical reactions at any given moment.

You are ignoring MyM's meaning and just going to evolution for the sake of ad hominem and because you don't know where man came from without presuming no supernatural interference. It is that presumption which enables you to have the faith you have in where man came from.

Sorry but it doesn't appear that you know what an ad hominem is.

(S)he asked where humans beings come from, and I provided scientific answers. No faith required, as it is demonstrable. But I always find it very interesting when religious people try to drag science down to their level by claiming that people who follow the scientific method are doing it on faith. No, they aren't. Rather, they're following the demonstrable evidence where it leads.

Why do you feel the need to insert unverifiable supernatural explanations into scientific explanations that work just fine without such things?

 

[SkepticThinker]

"God did not do it" is no explanation.

That's for sure.

"Everything just came about naturally" is no explanation, it's a presumption.

Luckily and thankfully, scientists demonstrate a lot more than that. And thanks to that methodology, we know quite a bit about the universe we inhabit, no thanks to religion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Whether humans have evolved or not has nothing to do with the real origin of humans.

Sure it does.

Humans and everything else on the planet have evolved and continue to evolve. That is a fact of biology.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The answer is not Goddidit every time but when you say, "let's figure it out" you really mean, let's ignore anything except science which cannot find a God and so always comes up with naturalistic answers even if Goddidit.

A tacit admission that the existence of God is not something that can be scientifically demonstrated, a point which I made when I said 'Don't try to use science to prove your religious beliefs.'

 

[MyM]

Why blame just the jews in BCE. Even today most of the world believes in false stories in various religions. Religions will not exist without these false stories.

Jew are still considered people of the book in the Quran. Many did believe in the oneness of Allah and worshipped only him. Yet, in saying this, there were those that went astray. Stories or not, people should respect the people of the book.

 

[MyM]

Sure it does.

Humans and everything else on the planet have evolved and continue to evolve. That is a fact of biology.

Fact in biology is that every living thing came from water. Allah said this over 1400 years ago.

 

[MyM]

No human being should accept things for which there is no good evidence. Skeptic, or not.

You don't just get to claim something is "obvious" without explaining yourself, because clearly it isn't obvious to everyone, is it? I just told you I don't see design in the universe and explained why. You completely ignored it for some reason.

Can you please answer the questions, just for once, without trying to deflect?

Allah says in the Quran,

“Verily, the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed aayaat (proofs, evidences, signs) for people of understanding.”[al-Baqarah 2:164]

 

[YoursTrue]

That is correct. Machines fail sometimes. There are reasons for it. When pregnancy is cut short, the fetus does not always come out as a human baby.
That depends on how old the fetus was.

Actually, what it does speak of (without human words of course) is that gestation is designed, not coming about by chance.

 

[MyM]

Sure it does.

Humans and everything else on the planet have evolved and continue to evolve. That is a fact of biology.

“And We have made from water every living thing” [al-Anbiya’ 21:30]

 

[Aupmanyav]

Jew are still considered people of the book in the Quran. Many did believe in the oneness of Allah and worshipped only him. Yet, in saying this, there were those that went astray. Stories or not, people should respect the people of the book.

Why just the four? You are not the only one's who have books. Bahais have their own book - 'Kitab-e-Aqdas'. Other religions have their own books too. And what proves that what is written in these books is true? What proof do you have for Allah and his 'one-ness'?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Actually, what it does speak of (without human words of course) is that gestation is designed, not coming about by chance.

It came after some 4 billion years of evolution. Humans were not created because a God clapped his hands.

 

[YoursTrue]

It came after some 4 billion years of evolution. Humans were not created because of any God clapping his hands.

The more I look at it, the more I think about,it, the greater I realize that God created the heavens, the earth, and finally mankind. While science can be a good thing, it actually proves to me that God does exist, that He is. The more I read, the more I reason on the matter, the more it is clear to me that the Bible is his way of communicating with the world. (Have a nice day...)

 

[Brian2]

Why blame just the jews in BCE. Even today most of the world believes in false stories in various religions. Religions will not exist without these false stories.

The discussion was about the Bible, but no doubt from your pov every story of the supernatural is a lie.

 

[Brian2]

Hello

That's the thing, Jesus (on him peace) did not bring any new laws or commandments or covenants. He said so himself. It was Paul that created that belief. I suggest maybe you look how he talked about the gentiles (non-jewish) believers. You will be amazed. He also will profess that he never knew you(those who profess good works in his name) he will tell them to get away from him....there is information in the Bible Jesus speaks out. Can I suggest you get a red-lettered bible like I did ...the ones in the NT in red are the words to be have spoken from Jesus. Write them down. See what he actually said compared to what the pastors, your religion that you were brought up in, the Christians etc. say always...that is what I did and you might be amazed that it isn't what they are preaching.

In the Quran, Allah states about Jesus,

And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” (same name as Mohammmad) Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

Jesus did profess those words. Amazingly somehow it is shown in the Bible as "comforter" . Also the name is in the Greek as well but they translated it as "altogether lovely" .

anyways, we don't deny Jesus and we don't deny what he taught. :)

You say the Bible is wrong and people should listen to Muhammad and not what is written in the Bible.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The discussion was about the Bible, but no doubt from your pov every story of the supernatural is a lie.

Correct. Atheists do not believe in anything supernatural.

You say the Bible is wrong and people should listen to Muhammad and not what is written in the Bible.

What Christians say also is very similar to that.