Picture of Mars vs. the earth. So how did Moses know?

[SkepticThinker]

God has preserved His word.

You just pointed out that the original documents don't exist, so that doesn't make much sense, does it?

 

[Wandering Monk]

At this point, there is simply nothing that someone who does not believe that God is The Creator can say to convince me that it all just came about.

<sound of mind slamming shut>

 

[Wandering Monk]

We sure do. You see the universe as a result of chance something-or-other and I see it differently. Have a nice day.

Then don't try to invoke science to prove your religious beliefs.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He is written about in historical documents.
Do you think he did not exist?

So is King Arthur. And Zeus.

I've yet to see any evidence indicating that "Moses" actually existed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Some sceptics say that Jesus did not write anything and so we don't know what He said.
David and Solomon wrote things and sceptic still question their existence.
You should keep up with the findings of archaeology and you might realise that there is evidence for David and Solomon, but who cares, they wrote things and you don't think they existed. I wonder how much evidence would have to be found for you to accept their existence.

What do you think Jesus wrote down?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why, can't you see it?
Do you think the universe was not designed?
If so, could you elaborate on that.

It's your claim I'm asking about. Why is it so difficult to explain without trying to deflect to somebody/something else?

 

[MyM]

That is definitely not "common sense" when it comes to evolution. Human beings didn't evolve from any living great apes, rather, we share a common ancestor with them. Nobody that understands evolution expects to see "documented proof we came from apes ... eyewitnesses, reports, etc." because nobody who understands evolution thinks we evolved from any living great apes. This is known based on patterned similarities (nested hierarchies) found when comparing our genomes. The same method is used when tracing family lineages. It's how you know that you and your cousin share a common ancestor in your grandparents, for example.

I would suggest taking a course in evolution, for a better understanding of it.

A good starting place:
Evolution 101 - Understanding Evolution

So then, where did we come from? We just sprang up out of where ?

 

[Suave]

Do you know, Suave, when light is first mentioned in Genesis 1?

Verse 3. So what was the source of that light?

Day 1 also tells us ‘there was day and night.’ That means the Sun’s light was there already.

The Sun itself just wasn’t visible until Day 4, apparently due to heavy cloud cover, the “darkness” in verse 2.

By God Hockeycowboy, you might very well be correct. The Earth's early atmosphere may have been a hazy mix of methane and carbon dioxide until it became oxygenated by plants, at which time the heavens became visible from the Earth's surface.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So then, where did we come from? We just sprang up out of where ?

Overview of Hominin Evolution | Learn Science at Scitable
Human evolution | Natural History Museum
How Scientists Discovered the Staggering Complexity of Human Evolution
An Evolutionary Timeline of Homo Sapiens | Science | Smithsonian Magazine

 

[Wandering Monk]

So then, where did we come from? We just sprang up out of where ?

The answer to the question isn't 'Goddidit' whenever we don't know something. The proper response is 'I don't know, but let's figure it out.

 

[MyM]

Overview of Hominin Evolution | Learn Science at Scitable
Human evolution | Natural History Museum
How Scientists Discovered the Staggering Complexity of Human Evolution
An Evolutionary Timeline of Homo Sapiens | Science | Smithsonian Magazine

in your words

 

[MyM]

The answer to the question isn't 'Goddidit' whenever we don't know something. The proper response is 'I don't know, but let's figure it out.

I don't need to figure it out...I was just responding to a post but thanks

 

[SkepticThinker]

in your words

There's an entire course worth of material in there.
It can't be described in a couple of sentences. Humans didn't just spring up out of no where.
Hence the reason I suggested your taking a course in evolution.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't need to figure it out...I was just responding to a post but thanks

"God did it" isn't an explanation.

 

[YoursTrue]

But before they are born, they are quite similar at the embryonic stage.

But they are different when emerging. Human infants are usually not mistaken for baby buffaloes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Understatement by a factor of one million is sure a mistake.

I do not see any evidence of design. What exists is explained by science except for one question - "Where from all this arose?" You too have no answer for that except 'Goddidit", which explains nothing. You do not have any evidence for existence of God or that he sent any "savior". Sure, there may have been a Jesus who was crucified by Romans. That too has no historical evidence.

The evidence of design is that a leaf is not a moon.

 

[YoursTrue]

Then don't try to invoke science to prove your religious beliefs.

The Bible is not a science book. Scientists themselves make conjectures about things in the universe, and their perceptions can change and they do quite often. Again -- I appreciate microscopes and telescopes, if you consider that part of science. I appreciate vaccines. I also appreciate that there is a God who cares and will change things on the earth for the good of mankind. (Have a nice day.)

 

[Aupmanyav]

But they are different when emerging. Human infants are usually not mistaken for baby buffaloes.

Yeah, true. But the embryo has gone through all the stages of evolution. That of a molecule, which is what it is at the beginning when sperm enters the ovum, to a new born baby.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

By God Hockeycowboy, you might very well be correct. The Earth's early atmosphere may have been a hazy mix of methane and carbon dioxide until it became oxygenated by plants, at which time the heavens became visible from the Earth's surface.

It could very well have been. We know the Creative days were unspecified long periods of time — Jehovah told Adam he’d die ‘in the day he ate from’ the tree, and his death was years later — so early Earth could have been unsuitable for life at it’s beginning.

But Genesis 1:1 says “God created the heavens and the Earth.” The Heavens would include our Sun, don’t you think? So it would of necessity be the source of the “light” in verse 2.
It’s just that it wasn’t seen. Until Day 4.

A hint to understanding chapter 1, is that it’s written from the perspective of an observer on the ground… as if the author - Moses - was there.
A vision? We’re not told.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The evidence of design is that a leaf is not a moon.

Make use of the information available on internet. It is not available in your book.
Leaf - Evolution