Picture of Mars vs. the earth. So how did Moses know?

[Brian2]

It came after some 4 billion years of evolution. Humans were not created because a God clapped his hands.

That is atheist reasoning. It happened naturally therefore God had nothing to do with it and so God does not exist.

 

[Brian2]

Correct. Atheists do not believe in anything supernatural.

So why come to a religious discussion forum?

Brian2 said: You say the Bible is wrong and people should listen to Muhammad and not what is written in the Bible.
Aupmanyav said: What Christians say also is very similar to that.

No, Christians say the Bible is correct.
We don't take whole sections of the Bible and say to the Jews that those sections are lies that should not be there. That is what Islam and Baha'i do with the Bible.

 

[gnostic]

Common sense, why are there apes? Where are the calculated stages that proves we evolved from apes nowadays? Where is a documented proof we came from apes...I mean eye witness, reports etc. To me, it's just not realistic and you can criticize me all you want, but I know where my truth lies

Are Muslims still supporting the quack Zakir Naik and his pseudoscience “Scientific Miracles”?

 

[SkepticThinker]

“And We have made from water every living thing” [al-Anbiya’ 21:30]

Evolution is the foundation of biology.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Fact in biology is that every living thing came from water. Allah said this over 1400 years ago.

Great non-sequitur.

Can you explain what that means in relation to my post?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Allah says in the Quran,

“Verily, the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed aayaat (proofs, evidences, signs) for people of understanding.”[al-Baqarah 2:164]

I have to ask again, what does this have to do with my post?

And, why should anyone care what the Quran says?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Actually, what it does speak of (without human words of course) is that gestation is designed, not coming about by chance.

How so?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The discussion was about the Bible, but no doubt from your pov every story of the supernatural is a lie.

Can you demonstrate the supernatural? Can anybody?

If not, why do you think you get to posit it as an explanation for anything?

 

[SkepticThinker]

That is atheist reasoning. It happened naturally therefore God had nothing to do with it and so God does not exist.

Actually, the "atheist" reasoning is, I see no reason to insert a God into this equation and no good evidence for the existence of said God, and so I'm not going to insert God into an equation where it isn't needed. Especially when the equation works just fine without inserting mysterious unexplainable things into it.

 

[gnostic]

Fact in biology is that every living thing came from water. Allah said this over 1400 years ago.

The ancient Egyptians and Sumerians wrote 3800 years before the Qur’an.

And even the whole human made out of clay and water (Adam), in the Qur’an, is also not an original.

Again, the Egyptians thought of that in the Khnum myth, where Khnum created humans on the potter’s wheel, while the sun god created humans from tears that have fallen on the ground.

And there are number of different myths, where sometimes the water god Enki creating humans all by himself, sometimes together with goddesses like Nammu, Ninmah or Ninhursag.

The Qur’an is nothing more than a rip-off, with Muhammad lacking imagination. But regardless of Muhammad stealing/borrowing concepts from others, humans are not made out of clay. There is no science in the Qur’an, where clay can transform into living human being.

That’s the sort of stupidity that exist in Muhammad’s mind.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So why come to a religious discussion forum?

Why? I am a very religious person, a staunch atheist and an orthodox Hindu. Don't be surprised. Being an atheist is not a crime in Hinduism. Atheism is a 3000 year old tradition in Hinduism. RigVeda said:

"Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?"
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

 

[night912]

Correct. Atheists do not believe in anything supernatural.

That's not true, there are some atheists who believes in supernatural things.

 

[YoursTrue]

Correct. Atheists do not believe in anything supernatural.What Christians say also is very similar to that.

I was reading about the speed of sound and light. You may believe that is natural (just came about). I do not.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why? I am a very religious person, a staunch atheist and an orthodox Hindu. Don't be surprised. Being an atheist is not a crime in Hinduism. Atheism is a 3000 year old tradition in Hinduism. RigVeda said:

"Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?"
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

Ok you bring up an interesting question. I have read that Hinduism says there is one God but also many other gods, is that true?

 

[Aupmanyav]

That's not true, there are some atheists who believes in supernatural things.

I would not them them as atheists. If they have ejected the God idea because of absence of proof, then they should apply the same criteria to supernatural also. Do they have proof for what supernatural they believe in?

Ok you bring up an interesting question. I have read that Hinduism says there is one God but also many other gods, is that true?

Hinduism leaves that to the person's view. I do not accept any God or Goddess, there are those who believe in unity of all deities (Brahman), but most are polytheists. We have no problem with each others' different view, and keep to our individual views. All persons in my family are theists, I am a strong atheist. IMHO, it depends on the intellectual development of a person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I was reading about the speed of sound and light. You may believe that is natural (just came about). I do not.

Yeah, I do not see any hand of God in it. There are things that science cannot explain and they are working on it. Five hundred years ago, our understanding did not extend to what we know today.

 

[YoursTrue]

I would not them them as atheists. If they have ejected the God idea because of absence of proof, then they should apply the same criteria to supernatural also. Do they have proof for what supernatural they believe in?Hinduism leaves that to the person's view. I do not accept any God or Goddess, there are those who believe in unity of all deities (Brahman), but most are polytheists. We have no problem with each others' different view, and keep to our individual views. All persons in my family are theists, I am a strong atheist. IMHO, it depends on the intellectual development of a person.

And all this time I thought that Hindu(ism)? had temples and gods and goddesses. Guess I am wrong. On the other hand, I am learning and reasoning that there are those among the ranks of other claimed religions who are atheists, some are more vocal about it, I suppose, than others.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah, I do not see any hand of God in it. There are things that science cannot explain and they are working on it. Five hundred years ago, our understanding did not extend to what we know today.

Again - and I realize it is subjective because not all agree about many important things, I did not always believe in God -- but I changed. I won't go into detail about that, but after I began to believe in God and the Bible, I see birds in flight as miraculous (not 'naturally developed' as if there was no intelligent force beyond their abilities), even the travel of light and sound as -- beyond the ken of human understanding as to "how it happened." OR what it really composes of. Forever beyond, corroborating the fact that the Bible says mankind will never know the works of God entirely. Surely we might try to figure things out, but only peripherally.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 reads: “He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end."

 

[night912]

I would not them them as atheists. If they have ejected the God idea because of absence of proof, then they should apply the same criteria to supernatural also. Do they have proof for what supernatural they believe in?

If from what I understood what you said, that you don't consider them to be atheist? If so, then that's the no scotsman fallacy. Atheism deals only with the existence of a god. They can still reject that a god exist and still believe in the supernatural.

And just like any other group, there are some who may think totally logical for certain things but be totally illogical when it comes to their bias beliefs. They can even understand logical fallacies when it comes to other things but will be completely blind even when it's the same fallacy for their beliefs.

 

[night912]

Again - and I realize it is subjective because not all agree about many important things, I did not always believe in God -- but I changed. I won't go into detail about that, but after I began to believe in God and the Bible, I see birds in flight as miraculous (not 'naturally developed' as if there was no intelligent force beyond their abilities), even the travel of light and sound as -- beyond the ken of human understanding as to "how it happened." OR what it really composes of. Forever beyond, corroborating the fact that the Bible says mankind will never know the works of God entirely. Surely we might try to figure things out, but only peripherally.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 reads: “He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end."

"When you find out the Earth is flat ... then you become empowered." - David Weiss, a businessman

"You feel like you've got a better handle on life and the universe. It's now more manageable." - Mark Sargent, a filmmaker

Both are flat earth believers who genuinely believes that what they've said above is true.

So what does this all mean? All three probably does genuinely believe that there's something profound in what they've just said, but to all those who thinks rationally, it's nothing more than their personal opinions about what they believe and nothing convincing that's worthy of reexamining their position regarding those propositions.