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Planned Parenthood takes its show on the road
- Thread starter Shaul
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, those are good points, yet they lack in some sense. Can you figure out how?
Ok. So what? I was asking about new ones copying the concept with mobile units.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it is a historical practice, there is that.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, it is within state rights. As for you medical objections, those have some limits.
I have no.objection to facts.
Yep!
My point would be that mobile or other types of low-cost infrastructure are only required in a new or burgeoning market. Once the market forces stabilize, it is highly probable that providers will invest in more permanent facilities. Your worry that mobile abortion clinic will set a bad precedent for other non-desirable commodities (that is the implied assumption to listing tobacco, alcohol, and guns) is uninformed as those who sell those non-desirable commodities have long been in the game of making their products accessible to restricted markets.
Increased risks in what context? Do you imagine that without such facilities abortions won't happen?
They're going to be doing medical abortions; the kind that are routinely done outside of a hospital setting anyhow.
Who's subsidizing anything?
You do realize that mobile health care clinics are hardly a new thing, right? There are similar RVs around for dental care, medical checkups, etc. My town got several visits from a bus doing COVID vaccinations.
This sort of thing is routine. Don't act as if some untested pilot program just because you're uninformed.
Heh... if you were worried about doing the wise thing, you wouldn't have created this thread.
Are these matters of interest to anti-choicers now? They seem to express concern for women only when justifying taking away their rights - how they are really just trying to help these women avoid psychological and physical issues. Same with children. They seem interested in them until they are born.
If you looked at the article, the offending states won't have to do any oversight or incur any expenses, because the unit never leaves Illinois - a women's right to choose state. But any harm that follows from the criminalization of reproductive freedoms is on the ones that did that.
Yes. History. Or Herstory, in this case:
"Women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred is opening up about an abortion she had in the 1960s after she was raped at gunpoint in Mexico. The sexual assault happened while Allred was on vacation in her 20s, she said, and forced her to get an illegal abortion after she returned to the United States. "I had to get a back-alley abortion in a bathtub from a person who was not licensed, they were just doing it for the money," she said. When she started hemorrhaging after the procedure, the person who performed the procedure told her it was her problem now, she said. During her ordeal, she was hospitalized with a fever of 106 degrees -- surrounded by women who'd had illegal abortions, she said. "The only time a hospital would admit a woman like me was if she was bleeding to death from an abortion," she said. "The nurse said to me, 'This should teach you a lesson.' The lesson I did learn is that abortion should be safe, legal, affordable and available."
Alien826
No religious beliefs
At one time in, I think, Wales, there were two pubs, one on each side of a bridge that spanned a river that was the border between counties. In one county the licensing laws mandated closing at 10:30pm and in the other it was at 11:00pm. At 10:30 on Saturday a file of men could be seen crossing the bridge to get another half hour's drinking time!
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Seems to me that this admitting privileges thing was only introduced as a way to make abortion providers' lives more difficult. Clinics had managed without them before and those not subject to these rules still do. Anyway, you don't need admitting privileges for the ER do you?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly!!! And at 77, I all too well remember the coat-hanger abortions, teens having their boyfriend punching them into the abdomen, some committing suicide, etc.
Meanwhile, women in upper and middle-income families can leave and go to another state or a different country. Another example of "screw the poor".
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If complications arise and hospitals aren’t close by, then the community would be literally screwed in any medical emergency I would think. At least with a mobile planned parenthood in town, there would be medical personnel. That’s still better than nothing!!!
And you need admitting privileges to take someone to the hospital in the US?
Sounds awful!
Can’t comment on the subsidising thing, since I don’t know how that works in the US.
Here mobile medical services typically fall under our universal system. So it’s just paid for by the taxes of everyone. It’s how the poor get dental work, since dental for some reason isn’t included under that umbrella here
You're not trying to understand anti-abortion folk.
It's not about harming the poor. It's preventing
the "murder" of "infants".
If ever you want to change the minds of the
other side, understanding them is useful.
Demonizing them is counter-productive.
Then, presumably, those products and services aren’t controversial in those locations. You ignored the part where I suggested they were controversial. If you can’t think of a potentially controversial example let me know and I will suggest some.
No, it would be worse than nothing, actually. The mobile abortion clinic could not handle the increased medical needs it’s presence could cause.
And bringing up another potential price, there could be additional police costs. Suppose the mobile abortion vehicle causes abortion protesters to show up, with an attendant need for more police. Who pays for that? Probably the overwhelmed local authorities.
I merely asked a hypothetical question. I’m not “worried” about it. But maybe you might become worried. Suppose the anti-abortion activists copy this mobile service idea with a “Pregnancy Counseling” vehicle. One shadowing and parking right next to the Planned Parenthood vehicle. Oh, and bringing lots of protesters with them. They wouldn’t be breaking any law. Would such a prospect be worrisome?