As a professor in one of my psychology courses once told us, "Intelligence is what intelligence tests measure." Go figure.
That is neither original, nor in reference to intelligence in general, but IQ. Not the same thing.
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As a professor in one of my psychology courses once told us, "Intelligence is what intelligence tests measure." Go figure.
They aren't. There is no central intelligence. The "queen" terminology usually has much more to do with reproduction than anything else. The example I used recently elsewhere concerned army ants. Nigel Franks, in his paper "Army Ants: A collective intelligence", writes "Even in quite large numbers army ants may demonstrate behavior that is essentially aberrant. For example, if 100 army ants are placed on a flat surface, they will walk around in never decreasing circles until they die of exhaustion. In extremely high numbers, however, it is a different story. A colony of 500,000 Eciton army ants can form a nest of their own bodies that will regulate temperature accurately within limits of plus or minus 10 C. In a single day, the colony can raid 200 m through the dim depths of the tropical rain forest, all the while maintaining a steady compass bearing. The ants can form super-efficient teams for the purpose of transporting large items of prey."The queen of an ant or bee colony are a central intelligence, literally.
So the ability to answer an arbitrary set of questions. Seems rather unfair not only to species outside of Homo sapiens but to those within the species that can't read.As a professor in one of my psychology courses once told us, "Intelligence is what intelligence tests measure." Go figure.
Of course it was a somewhat flip remark, so don't take it too seriously, but do you really think the questions on an IQ test are arbitrary? If you do, please be advised that they're not.So the ability to answer an arbitrary set of questions. Seems rather unfair not only to species outside of Homo sapiens but to those within the species that can't read.
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Tests like an IQ test are not arbitrary, but that doesn't make them adequate measures of human intelligence. But this is irrelevant. They are not designed either to define intelligence or as measures of intelligence period. They are designed to quantify human intelligence.Of course it was a somewhat flip remark, so don't take it too seriously, but do you really think the questions on an IQ test are arbitrary? If you do, please be advised that they're not.
It was, of course a somewhat flip response as well...Of course it was a somewhat flip remark, so don't take it too seriously, but do you really think the questions on an IQ test are arbitrary? If you do, please be advised that they're not.
I can think of a few people which confirm the existence of "plant intelligence" :danana::biglaugh:
So, how do you define conscious?this all comes down to how you define intelligence
plants, are not.
Intellect is related to being conscious, end of story. this requires a brain and central nervous system
wolf said it best in the beggining of this thread.
So, how do you define conscious?
And I actually said that plants are more "intelligent" than people realize and that limiting intelligence to things with brains and animal anatomy was an error.
because plants lack it.
Slime molds can solve mazes and remember past threats.something that has the ability to think, a function unique to the brain.
Then none of us qualify.tha ability to make a desicion, or choice based on something other then a physical aspect.
Anemonies are more complex than your fish tank would have you believe. They make decisions (fight or flight) and even have "personalities".I dont buy it.
define intelligence
because plants lack it. [many humans do lol] having bred a close to 50 anenome's in the last 15 years, and relating them to that of a plant, in this context.
it is nothing more then a physical responce thay dictates ever aspect of their nature. there is no choice making involved.
Sure they make decisions all the time... especially those that have the option of calling in insects for help vs. using chemical deterrents.intelligence, the ability to make a wise decision. plants do not have this ability.
All organisms are the same, nothing more than responses. Our awareness and intelligence is an illusion of something we don't really have. The one thing organisms have in common is they are individual even though they are very much determined by cause and effect.it is nothing more then a physical responce thay dictates ever aspect of their nature. there is no choice making involved.
Then none of us qualify.
So only some of us qualify...Only organisms that can take written tests qualify.
There has to be intelligence if you have the ability to learn which many single celled organisms can do even being less complex than plants.this all comes down to how you define intelligence
plants, are not.
Intellect is related to being conscious, end of story. this requires a brain and central nervous system
wolf said it best in the beggining of this thread.
Just finished watching your linked video, and found it was pretty much what I expected: an anthropomorphic analogy taken to the extreme. Simple symbiosis, which is what was demonstrated, is not evidence of consciousness or intelligence. However, perhaps my misunderstanding is simply one involving definition. So to be clear, just what do you mean by these terms? How are you defining:
Consciousness?
Soul?
Intelligence?