Plants and Vegetarianism

[allfoak]

Honestly, I'm hoping affordable lab grown animal products will catch on and become mainstream in the future.

That's hilarious.
We can already do that with 3D printing.
We will be cloning animals for food soon.
Not something i want to be feeding to my children.
Honestly.

 

[Aquitaine]

That's hilarious.
We can already do that with 3D printing.
We will be cloning animals for food soon.
Not something i want to be feeding to my children.
Honestly.

To my knowledge 3D printing technology is limited to mechanical objects, not biological developements.

 

[allfoak]

To my knowledge 3D printing technology is limited to mechanical objects, not biological developements.

Boland’s patent relies on 3D printers, which can build complex shapes from little more than blueprints and the right type of material, including cells. An ink-jet printer that spits out three-dimensional objects works much like the familiar two-dimensional versions that sit on our desks—in fact, many started their “lives” printing paper. Like the 2D version, a 3D printer precisely deposits material drop by drop. But instead of feeding a sheet of paper past the print heads, a 3D ink-jet printer ratchets its platform down a notch and then deposits another layer atop the last. The “ink” can be virtually anything that can flow through a print-head and later harden—plastic, wood pulp, proteins, human cells. For 3D bioprinting, scientists fill the ink cartridges with cells and proteins instead of plastic.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/body/3d-printed-organs/

 

[MountainPine]

I would much prefer it if we gave the animals a decent life, along with a swift painless death (Nitrogen Asphyxiation perhaps). I also believe we should provide humane euthanasia to humans, but on a voluntary basis with certain regulations imposed.
We all live and die. Nature raises and kills us in the end, but so long as the animals have a decent standard of living - especially one better than in the wild - then I think that would be more morally acceptable to kill them for food.

Honestly, I'm just hoping that in my lifetime I will see affordable lab grown meat which would replace factory farmed meat.

However, when you say that people who are defensive about meat eating are to be dismissed, I feel you're doing more harm than good to your cause.

You're missing the point. Why kill them at all? What did they do to deserve death? We don't give animals their lives so they are not ours to take away.

Lab-grown meat? Seriously? Why not just do away with the idea of eating flesh and just eat plants and grains, like we were naturally designed to? It's a no-brainer. Humans are not omnivores. We are frugivores. If we were omnivores then we'd be able to eat meat without getting cancer and other diseases, and we'd be able to eat it raw without any problems. Furthermore, saying that "We all live and die. Nature raises and kills us in the end" is just an excuse to be irresponsible to ourselves and insensitive to other beings. It's a joke.

 

[Aquitaine]

You're missing the point. Why kill them at all? What did they do to deserve death? We don't give animals their lives so they are not ours to take away.

Lab-grown meat? Seriously? Why not just do away with the idea of eating flesh and just eat plants and grains, like we were naturally designed to? It's a no-brainer. Humans are not omnivores. We are frugivores. If we were omnivores then we'd be able to eat meat without getting cancer and other diseases, and we'd be able to eat it raw without any problems. Furthermore, saying that "We all live and die. Nature raises and kills us in the end" is just an excuse to be irresponsible to ourselves and insensitive to other beings. It's a joke.

I've seen this chart many times on RF, I do wonder how accurate it really is.
Also, from an ethical standpoint, what would be wrong with eating lab-grown animal products?

 

[MountainPine]

I've seen this chart many times on RF, I do wonder how accurate it really is.
Also, from an ethical standpoint, what would be wrong with eating lab-grown animal products?

How can the chart not be accurate? The pictures alone obvious. Again, if we were designed to eat meat, then we would be able to digest it raw without getting sick. We would also have sharp teeth to rip raw flesh off the bone and tear it up to shreds when chewing. We would have more acidic stomachs to break down the bacteria and certain enzymes that the human body can't digest. We would have shorter intestines to digest the meat quickly so it doesn't decay in our gut. We would be able to out run other species to catch prey... etc. You'd really have to be an idiot to not understand this.

Lab grown meat is expensive for one, and it is GMO. You are eating something not made in nature or from ingredients grown from nature. At least substitution meats are made from plants. Lab-grown meat though? You're just nourishing people's meat cravings. It's just more economical and more practical to grow crops for food. Let me ask you, what is wrong with eating plant-based foods? Is it protein, calcium, or B12 that you're worried about? I've been a vegan for three years, and haven't eaten meat in four and a half years. Do you think I'm deficient in any vitamins and minerals? Do you think I'd still be alive if I was, especially in B12?

 

[illykitty]

Honestly, I don't have an issue with lab grown meat. If people want to eat meat, that's their choice, just don't destroy the planet in the process. It's my biggest concern coupled with animal rights. Lab grown meat would remove the need to put the extreme stress on our planet, killing animals and people will still be able to have it. Win-win-win.

To me it's more logical than thinking everyone's going to go vegan.

 

[Valjean]

The chart is absurd, and humans have always been omnivores. "The pictures alone alone make it obvious?" -- How so? Humans don't use teeth to hunt or butcher. We hunt with hands and weapons, we butcher and process meat with tools and heat. Technology made canines and carnassials obsolete a million years ago.

 

[Aquitaine]

How can the chart not be accurate? The pictures alone obvious. Again, if we were designed to eat meat, then we would be able to digest it raw without getting sick. We would also have sharp teeth to rip raw flesh off the bone and tear it up to shreds when chewing. We would have more acidic stomachs to break down the bacteria and certain enzymes that the human body can't digest. We would have shorter intestines to digest the meat quickly so it doesn't decay in our gut. We would be able to out run other species to catch prey... etc. You'd really have to be an idiot to not understand this.

Lab grown meat is expensive for one, and it is GMO. You are eating something not made in nature or from ingredients grown from nature. At least substitution meats are made from plants. Lab-grown meat though? You're just nourishing people's meat cravings. It's just more economical and more practical to grow crops for food. Let me ask you, what is wrong with eating plant-based foods? Is it protein, calcium, or B12 that you're worried about? I've been a vegan for three years, and haven't eaten meat in four and a half years. Do you think I'm deficient in any vitamins and minerals? Do you think I'd still be alive if I was, especially in B12?

Remember, I was talking about lab-grown meat becoming economically viable in the future, I know it is too expensive for general consumption now.
You didn't answer my question: from an ethical standpoint, what is wrong with eating lab-grown meat?
Also, aren't most crops in some way, shape or form genetically modified through years of selection by farmers?
Finally, as a Vegan are you taking any suppliment tablets to help you with your nutritional intake?

 

[MountainPine]

The chart is absurd, and humans have always been omnivores. "The pictures alone alone make it obvious?" -- How so? Humans don't use teeth to hunt or butcher. We hunt with hands and weapons, we butcher and process meat with tools and heat. Technology made canines and carnassials obsolete a million years ago.

Don't be ridiculous. Millions of years ago? So you believe in evolutionism? lol. According to the Bible, we started off as vegetarians.

[Genesis 1:29] Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you

Finally, as a Vegan are you taking any suppliment tablets to help you with your nutritional intake?

Only when I'm offered it by my room mates, otherwise I wouldn't take them at all, and it was only recently that I began taking them which is once in a blue moon.

Also, aren't most crops in some way, shape or form genetically modified through years of selection by farmers?

No. Genetic modification means modifying the DNA in a laboratory with other genes producing mutant crops. That is not the same thing as selective breeding by farmers. You should have known this. It is common sense.

You didn't answer my question: from an ethical standpoint, what is wrong with eating lab-grown meat?

Because it is GMO. GMOs are harmful. Why are you asking questions you know the answers to?

 

[Aquitaine]

So you believe in evolutionism? lol. According to the Bible

Aaaaand we're done.

 

[Chakra]

The chart is absurd, and humans have always been omnivores. "The pictures alone alone make it obvious?" -- How so? Humans don't use teeth to hunt or butcher. We hunt with hands and weapons, we butcher and process meat with tools and heat. Technology made canines and carnassials obsolete a million years ago.

Aren't frugivores technically omnivores? The point is not whether humans can eat meat, but whether it is healthy and the best diet for us.

 

[Chakra]

I would much prefer it if we gave the animals a decent life, along with a swift painless death (Nitrogen Asphyxiation perhaps). I also believe we should provide humane euthanasia to humans, but on a voluntary basis with certain regulations imposed.
We all live and die. Nature raises and kills us in the end, but so long as the animals have a decent standard of living - especially one better than in the wild - then I think that would be more morally acceptable to kill them for food.

Honestly, I'm just hoping that in my lifetime I will see affordable lab grown meat which would replace factory farmed meat.

However, when you say that people who are defensive about meat eating are to be dismissed, I feel you're doing more harm than good to your cause.

People have been talking about "humane" treatment for a while now...even the "humane" farms have cruelty involved. The meat industry is a business, and it is impossible for them to "kill" each animal humanely.

I would love it if animals were all treated as pets before their slaughter and then receive a painless death (although there are still ethical objections to that), but that honestly won't happen. Instead of hoping that one's meat came from a "humane" source or lab grown meat replacing factory farmed meat, I think it's best to act now.

 

[Aquitaine]

People have been talking about "humane" treatment for a while now...even the "humane" farms have cruelty involved. The meat industry is a business, and it is impossible for them to "kill" each animal humanely.

I would love it if animals were all treated as pets before their slaughter and then receive a painless death (although there are still ethical objections to that), but that honestly won't happen. Instead of hoping that one's meat came from a "humane" source or lab grown meat replacing factory farmed meat, I think it's best to act now.

I'm sure there is potential for ethical farming, but yes that is talking about the future rather than acting now.
But then again there are plenty of things people "should be" doing with regards to their lifestyle, but we still don't do.
Who knows, maybe one day I'll be vegetarian, I don't think I could be vegan though.

 

[MountainPine]

Aaaaand we're done.

Good, I'm glad. This is Religious Forum. Atheism has no place here. *IGNORED*

 

[Aquitaine]

Good, I'm glad. This is Religious Forum. Atheism has no place here. *IGNORED*

You can still be religious and accept the ToE, you know.

 

[Valjean]

Many religious seem obsessed with unbelievers, so atheism is a valid topic here.

 

[allfoak]

Some are just not comfortable with who they are so the push themselves onto others.
Those that try to impose their way of life onto others soon find out that they can change nothing and probably ought to be changing their own behavior.

Many human beings need to eat meat.
It is our animal nature that causes us to want to eat the flesh of animals.
This is not a bad thing, it just is what it is and it just needs to be better regulated by those that care enough to do the job right.

I myself do not eat meat but it is not because i think that meat eaters are bad people.
I have found that not eating meat has benefited my health as well as increased my ability to reach some of my spiritual goals.
I do not recommend that everyone do what i do unless they are looking to accomplish something specific.
Diet changes are generally difficult for most people.
It involves physical and emotional changes that can be hard to cope with.