Playing the Atheist's advocate

[viole]

Believing is a matter of faith and faith can not be proved or disproved.
Athiests are the beset group I know of for expressing faith...that there is no God.
That said athiests talk more about God and the Bible than do most believers.
I think they also know more about the bible than most believers.

Don't forget those very faithful guys who do not believe in Mother Goose without any evidence that Mother Goose does not exist.

BTW: if non believers know more about the Bible than believers (as it seems to be confirmed by some polls), what does that tell you about the Bible?

Ciao

- viole

 

[RedDragon94]

Evidence in religion works like: the Rocky Mountains look majestic and awesome, it is divine, therefore God exists.

So because I perceive that the mountains look majestic that proves that there is a God? What about blind people, do they have a theology?

So with religion you always have one opinion relating to another opinion, the opinion on the beauty of the Rocky Mountains, relating to the opinion that God exists.

But how do you determine which opinion is correct? Experience? Argument?

Evidence in science works like: the light reflecting of the moon coming into the camera produces a picture of the moon.

Right, any supernatural evidence for God would prove his existence. But for some reason things like divine healing and the like are not as common today, or they aren't as recorded. So how can our default position be to believe in God when he hasn't shown himself for centuries?

So in science you are basically only concerned with accurate copying.

Right, so how do we copy something we can't see?

You cannot copy God, or love, or hate. You can in stead express what love is, using your free will to paint a picture, but you cannot use a camera to copy what love is to a picture.

So, the holy books aren't proof for God they are just records of phenomena that may or may not have occured the way the author or authors perceived them occuring?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So because I perceive that the mountains look majestic that proves that there is a God? What about blind people, do they have a theology?

But how do you determine which opinion is correct? Experience? Argument?

Right, any supernatural evidence for God would prove his existence. But for some reason things like divine healing and the like are not as common today, or they aren't as recorded. So how can our default position be to believe in God when he hasn't shown himself for centuries?

Right, so how do we copy something we can't see?

So, the holy books aren't proof for God they are just records of phenomena that may or may not have occured the way the author or authors perceived them occuring?

Why don't other people deal with this kind of horrific rejection of subjectivity?

How can you have a religious forum without nigh universal acceptance of the validity of subjectivity?

It is unsafe emotionally if subjectivity is under continuous outright intellectual attack for the mere reason that subjectivity is not objectivity.

Opinions and the emotions sustaining them are fragile. A fact you can just throw in the back of your mind and not think about it, and when you retrieve it it is unchanged, just as good as before. Not so with your opinions they can change or die when you ignore them.

 

[LuisDantas]

So many weeks, Mohammad, and I still have no idea why you think subjectivity is in any danger.

 

[shawn001]

Well, generally yes. But problems exist: Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Issues need to be worked out for sure, but this is a picture of the big bang the oldest light in the universe coming at us from every direction. Its been stretched into microwave light. It is one of the biggest discoveries of human kind really. It was predictied then found. You can actually pick this up on a TV.

It tells us some amazing things, its like a heat map as well, the blue spots are cold and the red spots will latter turn into galaxies.

Planck and the cosmic microwave background / Planck / Space Science / Our Activities / ESA


They also believe they just solved an issue with a massive cold spot in the CMB


Cold cosmic mystery solved: Largest known structure in the universe leaves its imprint on CMB radiation
Apr 20, 2015

Cold cosmic mystery solved: Largest known structure in the universe leaves its imprint on CMB radiation



NASA

The Big Bang's Playing on TV

Several members of the NASA Goddard COBE team work on WMAP. Like COBE, WMAP scans the sky over and over again, soaking up the ancient light from the Big Bang known as the cosmic microwave background. Microwaves are a low-energy form of radiation but higher in energy than radio waves. The cosmic microwave background blankets the universe and is responsible for a sizeable amount of static on your television set--well, before the days of cable. Turn your television to an "in between" channel, and part of the static you'll see is the afterglow of the big bang.

NASA - Background on the Background Explorer and the Science of John Mather

 

[Aupmanyav]

You can even hear it happening (although it did not take so long):