Their own ark WAS NOT ALLOWED per order of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Please define the word at security 1 Thessalonians 5:3
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Awesome. Try using the NT.
HOGWASH. Man is not a free moral agents; he is a slave to sin, dead in truspasses and sins and is not free to choose God.
He is not moral, he is carnal and not spiritual.
Agent of who? His carnal nature.
man does not have a freewill to choose God that is a bunch of religious propaganda.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Greek drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Notice I use the NT..
NO MAN .
Draw Drag same thing it means force. Does anyone have a freewill when he is being dragged? I do not care what religious logic you believe in. Here is a chance for you to look at Gods Word with no preconceived idealism (the narrow way).
Carnal man is a slave to sin; and not only does he not have a freewill or choice to receive the things of God it is his nature to totally reject all things of God and that is the way God created him. The carnal man is dead; when Adam died we all died; but Adam did not die physically the moment of the curse; he live physically until Genesis 5:5 and was 930 years old.
But spiritual death happened to him and Eve; they lost that communion with the Father in heaven. I believe Gods glory slowly departed early men in Genesis that is why they live for so long.
Can a dead man see, hear, smell, taste; etc. No this is double true to a spiritual dead man who cannot see, hear the things of God. A lot of our religious brothers are pretty dead too. Just because you are a believer does not stop you from being carnal.
If God does not quicken you; you are spiritually dead and are totally incapable of receiving anything from God.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Hoping that your understanding comes from God is really not good enough though...is it? How many people "hope" they've got it right? Convinced even? (Matt 7:21-23)
No, I am saying that I don't believe in the spirit that leads you. :sorry1:
There are no grounds for discussion Benoni. You have chosen your path..it is obviously the right one for you.
O please. What "small" mistake have you made? You have reinvented Christianity by eliminating all religions. What was Israel? What is a Jew? What "religion" was Jesus? Please don't tell me he was a Christian!
Who told you that?
No sorry, he had the chosen nation before he had Moses and David as his representatives. Moses freed Israel from Egypt...remember? They were all part of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob)who initially went there because of a famine.
Before the time of Israel there were patriarchs who presided over large family units. No one was ever a one man show.
Are you claiming to be a modern day "Moses" Benoni? Seriously?
I have no further comment. There is no point. You and SW can just commiserate with each other.
Well Jesus can see me, can't he? Can he? Does Jesus know I am an "apostate'?
Courage? Oh don't be ridiculous. By wisdom itself I am keeping my mouth shut.
Honesty? Honesty is going to them? I don't think so. I have fled. When Christains were warned to flee to the mountains they were absolutely not suppose to go back. I guess some did and they died.
If they want to find me (they know where I am) and ask me, I will not lie. Actually I did say somehting to the elders when they came to my house to invite me to I think the memorial. And um I think they know where I stand. Maybe they are afraid of me? What do you think?
I hear the present figure is about eight million.
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Thanks mommy!
Thanks mommy!
All you have is a personal attack, SeriouslyHoping that your understanding comes from God is really not good enough though...is it? How many people "hope" they've got it right? Convinced even? (Matt 7:21-23)
No, I am saying that I don't believe in the spirit that leads you. :sorry1:
There are no grounds for discussion Benoni. You have chosen your path..it is obviously the right one for you.
O please. What "small" mistake have you made? You have reinvented Christianity by eliminating all religions. What was Israel? What is a Jew? What "religion" was Jesus? Please don't tell me he was a Christian!
Who told you that?
No sorry, he had the chosen nation before he had Moses and David as his representatives. Moses freed Israel from Egypt...remember? They were all part of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob)who initially went there because of a famine.
Before the time of Israel there were patriarchs who presided over large family units. No one was ever a one man show.
Are you claiming to be a modern day "Moses" Benoni? Seriously?
I have no further comment. There is no point. You and SW can just commiserate with each other.
Lets take the verse I posted about Moses
What is shows us is God will always have His anointed?
Yes David came later but before there was a children of Israel there was God's anoited The twelve tribes came from a single person Jacob. Then Joseph etc. God's anointed
Do you believe in God's anointed or JW anointed?
OK now I have looked up commiserate. Wrong word. There you go again pretending to know how we feel. What are we sympathizing over?
You should ask a trusted friend about that. It is not proper to be accusing strangers of things that you have no way of knowing.
You should ask a trusted friend about that. It is not proper to be accusing strangers of things that you have no way of knowing.
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You have never experience the Spirit of truth so how would you know?
I think she is saying she does not believe in the spirit that leads you Benoni. She believes in the spirit that leads the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Courage??? To return to bondage????
Notice how she did not address one thing I posted and if she even attemped it was spin witth no substance.
Par for the course for her. Be pleased she is reading and answering. She is my favorite mouse. I will not bite her head off. I like her.
Like I said she is afraid to really address the issues.
The religious Mind:
Then we have the religious mind, which is far closer to carnal them spiritual; this mind is not open unless you agree with their preconceived idealism, being it Catholic, Pentecostal, JW, Baptist this mind has the mind of what ever agenda listed above or one of the twenty thousand sisters of Babylon.
Gods Word is like a river that flows:
Ezekiel 47: 4Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
How deep is your river; up to your ankles or knees; or is it so deep and mighty all you can do is float as if flows and gets deep and wider continually.
I cannot and will not fit Gods Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.
Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can
hold no water.
I look around at the vast majority of Gods awesome people who remind me more of Lawyers defending the law according to the way they have been taught no matter how evil the law is. There is no room in their religious brain to dig deeper, or explore the most awesome book ever written; words like new scare them.
Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend Gods Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.
Afraid? Interesting. I quess competitive, careless, stubborn and self righteous. Oh! She's me!
I love these debates. Its nice to poke more holes in a broken cistern
I suppose, but I'm not proud to admit it.
This word commiserate bothers me a little. It is an insult. Nobody bet. It means To feel or express sorrow or pity for; sympathize with.
What does it mean, do you suppose?
What does it mean, do you suppose?
To touch one person like yourself and show you what God has shown me is where it is at.
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