Please define the word at security 1 Thessalonians 5:3

[Benoni]

Here is something the JW will never see.

Matt 7:13-15 13 is not speaking to sinners, God’s Word is written to believers because the world could careless what God’s Word says, for they are dead in trespasses and sin. You quote the scripture Matt 7:13-15 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV

A narrow way is your approach to God’s Word with no, I mean no preconceived bias. There is no room for your religious baggage, it is far too narrow. Men follow their false prophets in other words: religion, creeds, dogmas, Popes, pastors and orthodoxy; and reject the Christ with in us all. All they ghave is their bias

 

[savagewind]

Here is something the JW will never see.

Matt 7:13-15 13 is not speaking to sinners, God’s Word is written to believers because the world could careless what God’s Word says, for they are dead in trespasses and sin. You quote the scripture Matt 7:13-15 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV

A narrow way is your approach to God’s Word with no, I mean no preconceived bias. There is no room for your religious baggage, it is far too narrow. Men follow their false prophets in other words: religion, creeds, dogmas, Popes, pastors and orthodoxy; and reject the Christ with in us all. All they have is their bias

Excellent!

 

[savagewind]

There is a name for Jehovah's Witness bias. It's called the faithful and discreet slave.

I believe the faithful and discreet slave is real. I believe he cannot be corrupted because he issues from God.

Matthew 24:48 seems to suggest that the slave of Matthew 24:45 might possible prove disloyal thus indicating he is of humankind. But I believe Matthew 24:48 is recalling the reality that people put trust in man and will put trust in man. There are some reasons why I see it that way. One is that God is not a fool to place weakness over his children and because the scripture is introduced with the term "if, but" ἐὰν δὲ

It was so certain that the church would be corrupted that he had to add a warning as in Matthew 28:48

Why don't you think about it people? How is it possible for God to put in place over all God's possessions men with whom it is always possible that they might be corrupted? JWs will say their slave has proved they will not be corrupted. How is that possible?

 

[JayJayDee]

Here is something the JW will never see.

Matt 7:13-15 13 is not speaking to sinners, God’s Word is written to believers because the world could careless what God’s Word says, for they are dead in trespasses and sin. You quote the scripture Matt 7:13-15 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV

Or more correctly, he was addressing fellow Jews, since these were the ones he was sent to exclusively. (Matt 15:24) Since they already professed to be believers, what you say is true...only not the way you think.

It is the same with "Christians" who read that scripture...many who think they are Christ's disciples....he tells them otherwise in the following verses. (21-23)

A narrow way is your approach to God’s Word with no, I mean no preconceived bias. There is no room for your religious baggage, it is far too narrow. Men follow their false prophets in other words: religion, creeds, dogmas, Popes, pastors and orthodoxy; and reject the Christ with in us all. All they ghave is their bias

Benoni, you appear to be a lone voice in the wilderness. The only person who gives you any credence is somewhat lost.

Your own bias defeats your arguments. Are you a chosen one? Does your understanding come directly from God's spirit? Do you know how many people claim that? Yet they all believe and promote different things. Who is one to believe? You? Why you above them?

You are so convinced of your beliefs and yet they are so flawed.

Are you single-handedly going to preach the good news of the kingdom "in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations"? (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20) Seriously?
What is "the good news" according to you?

Who else believes what you believe? You can't be a one-man band...:sorry1:.
God has never operated that way. Since his promise to Abraham, he has had a people who represent him on earth, who teach and promote his word and live by it. You had to be part of his arrangement for worship to be accepted by him.

In his denunciation of the fake Christians, Jesus said that they were not "doing the will of the father". Many make claims, but do not back them up with action.

"Nevertheless, a certain one will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.” You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive?....Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."

Are you calling at my door with 'the good news' any time soon Benoni? Will you do so in remote areas in the mountains or the jungles of the Amazon? What about the frozen north? The desert inhabitants or the island dwellers? How will you reach them all with the good news as Jesus instructed?

 

[savagewind]

enoni, you appear to be a lone voice in the wilderness. The only person who gives you any credence is somewhat lost.

Oh my. please define "somewhat lost". You haven't caught what I have, have you? I should not say "sort of" (a Jehovah's Witnesses). I proved it was true though. Now you prove something can be "somewhat lost". I don't think you can do it. Please try. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

Your own bias defeats your arguments. Are you a chosen one? Does your understanding come directly from God's spirit? Do you know how many people claim that? Yet they all believe and promote different things. Who is one to believe? You? Why you above them?

I do not know how deceived a mind can be to believe this about those confessing it but disbelieve it about those too humble to.

You believe the goerning body of Jehovah's Witnesses are chosen, that their understanding comes directly from God's spirit (if it doesn't then why do you believe them?), and that they are to be believed. Again I ask (for the third time) what makes them different?

 

[savagewind]

Why you above them?

Every last person on the planet will ask Jehovah's Witnesses why the governing body above The Spirit of God? If they are able.

 

[savagewind]

You had to be part of his arrangement for worship to be accepted by him.

So not true.

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Noah was a preacher of righteousness, just like they are. They say Noah preached about the coming destruction and that if people would believe him they would have got on the ark with him and be saved. They believe it is their duty to preach as Noah did and invite "honest hearted" (that's their words) ones into the congregation of God the atypical Noah's ark.

Let's apply a little simple logic here, shall we? The ark took 40 years, I hear, to build. The specifications were provided to Noah by God, of course it was at the beginning of the building of it. Then he began to build it according to the specifications and while he was at it he also preached repentance for the people to get into the ark with him. Nobody did and it's a good thing too because the ark would not have held them. So. Either God never intended for them to repent and join Noah OR all the others were predestined to die (JWs do not believe in predestiny). The ark was not designed to hold many possible converts. God knew there would be no converts so what was Noah preaching?

 

[savagewind]

I am thinking of the many Bible characters who were not of Israel but were accepted by God. Cyrus is one. Ruth is another. Rahab is another. The scriptures do not say Job was part of any "arrangement". Then there were those who provided materials for the building of the temple. There was the man who pulled someone out of the well. He was not Israel, was he?

 

[savagewind]

Are you calling at my door with 'the good news' any time soon Benoni? Will you do so in remote areas in the mountains or the jungles of the Amazon? What about the frozen north? The desert inhabitants or the island dwellers? How will you reach them all with the good news as Jesus instructed?

He has reached me. You are so sure there are not people being reached on forum. How are you so sure? Do you enjoy understanding directly from God's Spirit? What is your proof you are reaching people but folks such as Thief, Bononi and um the others, are not?

What is your proof?

 

[savagewind]

Conventions?:sleep: Meetings? :sleep: The field service? Buildings? :sad4: What?

 

[savagewind]

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are most successful in preaching the good news for two reasons I can think of. All their help is free and they are expert hiders of dirty laundry.

 

[savagewind]

Benoni, you appear to be a lone voice in the wilderness. The only person who gives you any credence is somewhat lost.

Your own bias defeats your arguments. Are you a chosen one? Does your understanding come directly from God's spirit? Do you know how many people claim that? Yet they all believe and promote different things. Who is one to believe? You? Why you above them?

You are so convinced of your beliefs and yet they are so flawed.

Are you single-handedly going to preach the good news of the kingdom "in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations"? (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20) Seriously?
What is "the good news" according to you?

Who else believes what you believe? You can't be a one-man band

This is ridicule. It is amazing to me that according to you God prophesied believers would be ridiculed and here you are a believer ridiculing. Where is it prophesied that believers would ridicule other believers?

 

[savagewind]

I was thinking of Bible characters that are Bible characters that never get identfied as "part of God's official worship arrangment" (as says JAYJAYDEE) but they are used by Jehovah for the outworking of Jehovah's purpose. How should all those be viewed? Should we ignore the illustrations because the players are not approved for worship?

 

[savagewind]

Listening closely to the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses you will hear them say that everyone who will worship God will end up with the Jehovah's Witnesses. So then all the brothers of the illustration of the sheep and the goats are members of or will be members of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is a dangerous teaching according to the words of Jesus. If the least one of Jesus' brothers, who can just as well be Benoni as anyone else, is dismissed as nothing, then the person doing the dismissing is proving herself a goat who is destined to go off into destruction. If such behavior is a result of the teachings of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses then they are not to be gathered to but to avoided as the plague.

 

[savagewind]

Your rant against Benoni shows me that what you believe is important is agreement. To be true an understanding must be agreed upon by other humans. Am I hearing JayJayDee correctly?

 

[JayJayDee]

Your rant against Benoni shows me that what you believe is important is agreement. To be true an understanding must be agreed upon by other humans. Am I hearing JayJayDee correctly?

That was a rant? It was a bit of home truth actually. I think Benoni can speak for himself though, don't you? Let him answer those questions, or apply them to yourself perhaps. Jesus asked questions of the Pharisees all the time. (Matt 23:33; 21:23-27)

You hear what you want to hear...nothing you say is 'correct' but a twisting of what you want to believe about the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses. There will never be agreement between Babylon the great and Jehovah's people. (2 Cor 4:3, 4) There will never be apostates accepted into the kingdom either.

This is ridicule. It is amazing to me that according to you God prophesied believers would be ridiculed and here you are a believer ridiculing. Where is it prophesied that believers would ridicule other believers?

O dear...what do you think you are doing? Pot...kettle....

 

[savagewind]

nothing you say is 'correct' but a twisting of what you want to believe about the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Do they not tell you to believe what they say? If one day new light is seen on a scripture and they announce it will you not change your mind to fit the new light?

You are telling any reader of these threads that it isn't true because nothing I say is true. Is it true?

You call me an apostate because I left the teaching of the governing body and am publishing another perspective. I have said it before but it's not true either because nothing I say about them is true.

Is it true? Why have you accused me of apostasy? Isn't what I have said true? If it's not true, then why please?

 

[savagewind]

I think Benoni can speak for himself though, don't you?

I would not even venture to guess because he is a stranger to me. There are many people who can speak up for themselves and do. There are many who can and don't. And then there are even people who really cannot. I do not doubt that he takes blessed are the peaceable... and walk away from a fight and the wise do not throw logs on the fire when they wish the fire to go out....seriously

You seem to be an expert people judger. Is it genetic?

 

[savagewind]

O dear...what do you think you are doing?

Dear? I knew under that cold exterior you are a dear what loves me.

There is a difference between riduculing a person and ridiculing an idea. I ridicule ideas. You ridicule people. I do not know how you get away with it, really.