SkepticThinker
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Wish I could have winner frubaled this twice.
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Please give me proof I'm over-reacting!
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SkepticThinker
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Next time you address my post, try addressing the content of it.
The point of this thread is that Texas lawmakers are endangering pregnant people by making doctors afraid to treat medical emergencies connected to pregnancy, under threat of up to 99 years in prison, $100k fines, and loss of medical license. The AG has said he will prosecute any doctors who perform an abortion if they do not meet his standard of an emergency. When women were harmed by this law sued Texas, the judge granted a temporary injunction to allow doctors to make "good faith judgments" to terminate complicated pregnancies. The AG immediately appealed this, saying the courts should not rewrite laws. In other words, doctors are not allowed to make life-saving decisions when it comes to pregnant people. The AG has said only he can decide, and he is not making himself available for these decisions when the decision needs to be made. All individuals, be they doctors, judges, or the people directly involved have no say according to AG Ken Paxton, only he and his office.
(Yes, this is the same Ken Paxton who was impeached by the Texas House on a vote 121-23 for corruption charges including bribery and abuse of the public trust, but was acquitted by the State Senate.)
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Nimos
Well-Known Member
It's sad, but I don't think anyone could be surprised by it.
But I also assume that those who voted for the ban, ain't really bothered too much anyway, so it is unlikely to be changed I would assume. And you will probably see the same happening in other states which did the same.
Good post.
And no, you're not overreacting. These people are monsters.
This is the face of American Christianity. This is what we see when we look at it.
It describes itself as a religion of love, kindness, charity, and high moral standards, but when will we get to see any of that?
Instead, what we see are incessant attacks against church-state separation and secular government, and a host of bigotries including this misogyny and the LGBTQ+ persecution.
Let us not let them fool us with these claims. Too many accept them uncritically. Look at the evidence. We should decide who they are and what they stand for based on what they do, not what they say about themselves.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
It's certainly a problem but it could be argued that you are slightly over-reacting because the tabloid spin on the statistics are designed to make you do that. The problem with reporting percentage increases in risk is that they're largely meaningless if you don't know what the level of risk was in the first place. A change from 20 deaths in 100,000 live births to 30 deaths in 100,000 live births is a 50% increase. Just quoting the percentage makes it sounds much worse than it actually is though.
That certainly isn't to say that this isn't a very real problem, and the connection with the strict anti-abortion laws in Texas aren't a major factor. The fact the reason (or excuse?) for not reviewing 2022/23 in that they have such a large backlog of cases to review should be raising alarms in itself.
That said, it should be recognised that pregnancy and birth throughout the US (like most developed nations) is still extremely safe with very low risks. I'm not convinced rhetoric like "third-world dangerous" is really helpful if you want to make valid arguments against the laws as they stand.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Not according to my source. Not since abortion was made basically illegal in Texas in 2022. Sorry, this particular source only goes through 2020 for the US. And the entire country saw maternal deaths spike during the pandemic.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Maternal Mortality Rates in the United States, 2021
National Center for Health Statistics
I could copy this one fine but not the other one.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Got out and went back in and was able to copy it:
www.cdc.gov
Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data From Maternal Mortality Review Committees in 38 U.S. States, 2020
Data on pregnancy-related deaths among residents of 38 states in 2020.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
They don't have that data in your source. The Texas Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Review Committee decided to leapfrog the data from the past couple of years. I think I posted articles about this upthread.
You know...it's stories like this that make me realize two things:
1) American women don't take the pill
2) Smart, highly educated women are the worst at contraception. Women without diploma tend not to get pregnant, not even once.
1) American women don't take the pill
2) Smart, highly educated women are the worst at contraception. Women without diploma tend not to get pregnant, not even once.
BrightShadow
Active Member
This is the problem.
Like I said in the other thread...
Since the AG and folks working under him - don't trust their doctors and made them so handicapped - Texas should create a special SDM (like a task force) with total immunity (as a weapon of defense) to come in aid (on an emergency basis) and make the decision on behalf of the doctor who contacts them. The task force can give the green light with 100% immunity.
AG should not be allowed to prosecute the doctor who contacts the SDM and gets approval for the procedure.
The SDM team (support decision makers) should consist of at least 3 doctors (experts) in each team and they should be available 24/7 (at the least) via Zoom.
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