Pointless Debate

[Unveiled Artist]

I didnt reduce theism to nothing. I just said God does not exist. Why talk about an nonexistent entity? Has nothing to do with a specific theism. When a athiest who Knows God does not exist talks about God, He is using empty pronouns. What, in general, can he learn from talking about God as if he existed? How would it benefit him spiritually?

Theism is one of the most influential concepts in human civilisation - how can it make sense to you to reduce it to nothing?

 

[Bunyip]

BOTH are not productive. I used it as an example not to proove its existence. Thats illogical to do so unless you have a reason to talk abount an "invisible" box? Give me an idea why talk about an invisible God.

Because belief in this invisible god inspires people to mutilate the genitals of their own children (for example), isn't that a good enough reason to question?

 

[Iti oj]

Isnt it illogical for an athiest (one who knows God does not exist defin. for this thread) to debate God's existence?

i.e. If I had an invisible box (whats in the box!! Sorry, Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt movie flash back) and millions of people just believed it exist and I know it does not....why would I say "it 'could' exist" literally just because believers made a claim? With God, why would I want evidence for someone that does not exist? What is behind building debates around nothing?

Maybe it could be because in some atheist definitions, there is only a disbelief in God which, that, doesnt require that God be non-existent. It leaves room for debate because they are hanging on possibilities, theory, philosophy.

If God does not exist and the athiest knows this (hence why he's an athiest) why debate "nothing"?

One day every one thought god was needed to explain life's diversity. Eventually more and more gaps will close. Eventually we will reach people with strong faith and or personal experience.
Then it might be pointless


Also theirs usually a socio/political interest for atheist in these debates or at least i feel that way

 

[Bunyip]

I didnt reduce theism to nothing. I just said God does not exist. Why talk about an nonexistent entity?

Because two thirds of the world believe in such an entity. How is that so hard to understand?

Has nothing to do with a specific theism. When a athiest who Knows God does not exist talks about God, He is using empty pronouns. What, in general, can he learn from talking about God as if he existed? How would it benefit him spiritually?

What are you failing to grasp here Carlita? Belief in god has a big impact on the earth. It affects everybody.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Just substitute 'wizard' for 'god' if that confused you. How is God nothing Carlita?

Youre using nothing as meaningless. Im using it as non existence. I never said God is nothing. I said God does not exist. An atheist talking about God is talking in empty language. It is like my talking to an imaginary friend. She may be meaningful through the death of my family member but in the end she does not exist/not there/nothing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Just substitute 'wizard' for 'god' if that confused you. How is God nothing Carlita?

Youre using nothing as meaningless. Im using it as non existence. I never said God is nothing. I said God does not exist. An atheist talking about God is talking in empty language. It is like my talking to an imaginary friend. She may be meaningful through the death of my family member but in the end she does not exist/not there/nothing.

 

[Bunyip]

Youre using nothing as meaningless. Im using it as non existence. I never said God is nothing. I said God does not exist. An atheist talking about God is talking in empty language. It is like my talking to an imaginary friend. She may be meaningful through the death of my family member but in the end she does not exist/not there/nothing.

Yes, and belief in that God affects us all - why can't you accept that?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And...

If it is important for you to talk about God, than you can. No biggie. Its a hypothetical light question not political.

Because two thirds of the world believe in such an entity. How is that so hard to understand?

I live with christians, have christian neighbors (400 in one indoor complex), the Church is fifteen mins from me. There are churches at every block. Abortion right rallies every year. Catholic area.

The only time I talk about God is help my RC friend out in her language. To talk to people about faith in language they understand. In Mass when paying respects to my family.

It just dawned on me online there is rarely no helping, no learning from people who differ, etc.

I value peoples belief im God. I dont say belief in God is meaningless. Why would an "atheist" talk about God unless he is evangalising to save others from believing in God? Curiousity? Bordem.

There area mny reasons. Behind them all, God still does not exist. On this basis ALONE why talk about a non existing being?
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Do you understand what Im asking? If you feel you should talk about God, by all means. It is not a serious question. Its RF for goodness sakes.

Because two thirds of the world believe in such an entity. How is that so hard to understand? What are you failing to grasp here Carlita? Belief in god has a big impact on the earth. It affects everybody.

 

[Willamena]

BOTH are not productive. I used it as an example not to proove its existence. Thats illogical to do so unless you have a reason to talk abount an "invisible" box? Give me an idea why talk about an invisible God.

Heiddenger gave an example, albeit about an invisible cat in a box belonging to Schrödinger, rather than an invisible box.

”The example of the probability wave staying unreal until it is observed is Heidegger’s Cat. In a strange experiment a box is created with a poison gas trap attached. When shut, the box has a fifty percent chance of releasing the poison. But if it is opened, it immediately releases the gas. Now, the box is impermeable. Once closed you cannot detect what happens inside. Now you put Heidegger’s cat inside and close the lid. The cat, according to physicists, is fifty percent alive. It is neither dead nor alive. It is both, simultaneously, for once you open the box to check, you invalidate the experiment. Since no one can perceive inside the box, the cat exists as neither dead nor alive. Bet that’ll cook your noodle.”​

. . .

 

[Bunyip]

And...

If it is important for you to talk about God, than you can. No biggie. Its a hypothetical light question not political.


I live with christians, have christian neighbors (400 in one indoor complex), the Church is fifteen mins from me. There are churches at every block. Abortion right rallies every year. Catholic area.

The only time I talk about God is help my RC friend out in her language. To talk to people about faith in language they understand. In Mass when paying respects to my family.

It just dawned on me online there is rarely no helping, no learning from people who differ, etc.

I value peoples belief im God. I dont say belief in God is meaningless. Why would an "atheist" talk about God unless he is evangalising to save others from believing in God? Curiousity? Bordem.

There area mny reasons. Behind them all, God still does not exist. On this basis ALONE why talk about a non existing being?
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Do you understand what Im asking? If you feel you should talk about God, by all means. It is not a serious question. Its RF for goodness sakes.

Yes I understand what you are asking, and the reason why people who do not believe in god discuss it is because belief in gods affects us all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sheesh. Guys. I must have picked a nerve. 10 alerts. Hold a sec

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes I understand what you are asking, and the reason why people who do not believe in god discuss it is because belief in gods affects us all.

Okay. The question, though, wasnt political or sociological. If affects us so we talk about it.

How does talking about someone non existent benefit an strong atheist? Yes, we are affected by a lot of things. I know Buddhist in person who do not talk about God. It is not in their vocab spiritually speaking. They were born here, raised, and they are older to where they can separate their environment beliefs and their own. To ask them to talk about God because it influences the country would be silly when their lives are not involved with God.

Im asking about an atheist in general who knows God does not exist and without looking at politics he talks about God. There is "no one" to fill in that title in his eyes. Its an empty title. He wasnt raised christian. He can separate his beliefs from the christian majority. No person is preasuring him to talk about God. Why would he talk about God if not by curiosity, wanting to learn differing faiths etc...

Take away all the reasons. An atheist who talks about God is really talking about nonone as if it exists. I find that weird In Itself.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Unless youre preasured to talk about God, not all atheist in a christian ennvironment dont put energy into something irrelevant to their lives.
People realize this when they get older. Live for yourself (or your God etc) not for others...they arent you.

*blinks*

Thanks for the unsolicited advice I guess?! I could mention that my voice is broken, and I'm no trudging my way through puberty I guess, but...*shrugs*

Why are you talking about atheism? Do you feel pressured to talk about it? For me, I have the reasonably lucky position of living in a country where my religiosity is rarely of much interest to anyone, and largely doesn't impact on my life. I raise my kids without religion, but both family (not all, but majority) and friends (in particular our best friends) are Christian.

I'm not, in any sense, an anti-theist. But theism effects my life more than many other things I'm interested in (eg. Classical history). Should I also not be interested in those?

I'm interested in;
1) How you judge theism as 'irrelevant' to my life. My country doesn't have marriage equality, for example. Any idea why?
2) How you can discuss atheism, and consider that not pointless, yet think that atheists discussing theism is pointless

 

[Bunyip]

Okay. The question, though, wasnt political or sociological. If affects us so we talk about it.

How does talking about someone non existent benefit an strong atheist?

Because religious belief affects atheists.

Yes, we are affected by a lot of things. I know Buddhist in person who do not talk about God. It is not in their vocab spiritually speaking. They were born here, raised, and they are older to where they can separate their environment beliefs and their own. To ask them to talk about God because it influences the country would be silly when their lives are not involved with God.

Why would it be silly to talk about something that affects them?

Im asking about an atheist in general who knows God does not exist and without looking at politics he talks about God. There is "no one" to fill in that title in his eyes. Its an empty title. He wasnt raised christian. He can separate his beliefs from the christian majority. No person is preasuring him to talk about God. Why would he talk about God if not by curiosity, wanting to learn differing faiths etc...

Because belief in god affects him.

Take away all the reasons. An atheist who talks about God is really talking about nonone as if it exists. I find that weird In Itself.

Why is that wierd? Lots of people think it exists, and so it affects everyone.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

There are only some atheists/ I assume that many atheists are phony.

Might be a reason there.

Funny. I assume there have been plenty of 'theists' over the years who are not actual believers. Cultural Christians, for want of a better description.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Because belief in this invisible god inspires people to mutilate the genitals of their own children (for example), isn't that a good enough reason to question?

Quinch curiousity, maybe?

To someome who Knows God does not exist, what would it benefit him spiritually by talking as if a non existent person exists? Spiritual comfort?

 

[Bunyip]

Quinch curiousity, maybe?

To someome who Knows God does not exist, what would it benefit him spiritually by talking as if a non existent person exists? Spiritual comfort?

Well exploring anybody else's spiritual ideas would benefit anybodies own understandings of spirituality. Considering ideas different from our own is how we learn.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Interesting....

Heiddenger gave an example, albeit about an invisible cat in a box belonging to Schrödinger, rather than an invisible box.

”The example of the probability wave staying unreal until it is observed is Heidegger’s Cat. In a strange experiment a box is created with a poison gas trap attached. When shut, the box has a fifty percent chance of releasing the poison. But if it is opened, it immediately releases the gas. Now, the box is impermeable. Once closed you cannot detect what happens inside. Now you put Heidegger’s cat inside and close the lid. The cat, according to physicists, is fifty percent alive. It is neither dead nor alive. It is both, simultaneously, for once you open the box to check, you invalidate the experiment. Since no one can perceive inside the box, the cat exists as neither dead nor alive. Bet that’ll cook your noodle.”​

. . .

 

[Katzpur]

Um...
Because unlike the theist, the atheist acknowledges he may be wrong?

Um. I think we're pretty much evenly split on that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Wow..Im just talking about God not theism and not atheism. Im asking about why a hardncore atheist who knows God does not exist woud, in a RF for example, talk about God as if He does?

gosh. I dont know how else to ask the question. Posters are taking it too personally to really know in general why an atheist would talk about something that doesnt exist.

Like saying: "oh, this invisible box is nice. It has pink on both sides and blue on the other. Its a tiny box"

Maybe in a conversation that may go well depending on the goal of the conversation. In and of itself, for an atheist to talk about it as if it exists is illogical. Why do so?

*blinks*

Thanks for the unsolicited advice I guess?! I could mention that my voice is broken, and I'm no trudging my way through puberty I guess, but...*shrugs*

Why are you talking about atheism? Do you feel pressured to talk about it? For me, I have the reasonably lucky position of living in a country where my religiosity is rarely of much interest to anyone, and largely doesn't impact on my life. I raise my kids without religion, but both family (not all, but majority) and friends (in particular our best friends) are Christian.

I'm not, in any sense, an anti-theist. But theism effects my life more than many other things I'm interested in (eg. Classical history). Should I also not be interested in those?

I'm interested in;
1) How you judge theism as 'irrelevant' to my life. My country doesn't have marriage equality, for example. Any idea why?
2) How you can discuss atheism, and consider that not pointless, yet think that atheists discussing theism is pointless