Police Chase Tonight!!!

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Give him been benefit of the doubt. Us southerners know how police chase laws work here, he clearly doesn't.

I recognize that there are some differences - police pursuit regulations in Ontario got revamped several years ago after a number of police and civilian deaths as a result of high speed chases, and not all jurisdictions went through something similar. We're probably at the restrictive end of the spectrum: there's a very high bar for initiating a pursuit for a traffic violation, and the officer is *required* to break off the pursuit once they determine the identity of the person they're pursuing (edit: for a traffic violation, that is).

However, even that aside, parts of what Neo Deist is saying don't make sense... specifically his claim that he was legally required to pursue. This goes against what I know of police discretion in general, as well as restrictions on police use of force. I've also had a quick look at some American police pursuit guidelines (not from any particular police force, but model guidelines and the like from national organizations); they generally contradict Neo Deist's claim as well.

On top of all this, his description of what happened as "karma" makes me question his judgement. I don't trust a cop who thinks that it's positive when the person he's pursuing is injured and hospitalized.

 

[David1967]

But could be considered probable cause.

The speeding was all the "probable cause" he needed to initiate a traffic stop. A full time police officer can do this even if not on the clock. The idiot, drug dealing , thug, flipping him off was just icing on the cake.

 

[Neo Deist]

Give him been benefit of the doubt. Us southerners know how police chase laws work here, he clearly doesn't.

A reminder to the rest of you; I detest Neo Deist on nigh everything else. But he was in the right here, 100%. Why do I know?
Three generations of law enforcement in my family. from my great grandpappy to my grandfather*a detective* to my father*patrolman*.

I can't believe I just gave @Nietzsche a like...what is this world coming to?

 

[Nietzsche]

I can't believe I just gave @Nietzsche a like...what is this world coming to?

Trust me, I started to get a whiff of brimstone and the faint rumble of four distinct hoof-beats in the distance typing that.

But yeah. I grew up in a family of law enforcers. Officer's discretion, so on so forth, what constitutes a "Good Pursuit"(at least in TN) and what doesn't. I'm in your corner on this one. He was clearly demonstrating that at the absolute least he was a danger to himself, and more importantly a danger to you as an officer of the law and most importantly of all the public at large. Again, just referring to his reckless driving here because you had no way to know he also had illegal substances in his possession, and every action you took after witnessing his driving was based purely and only on that driving.

Assuming everything went down as you say(and I personally have no reason to doubt it), everything about this is above the board. It reminds me of a few chases my dad got into when he was still a patrolman.

 

[Neo Deist]

Trust me, I started to get a whiff of brimstone and the faint rumble of four distinct hoof-beats in the distance typing that.

Best reply ever!

 

[Neo Deist]

...and the officer is *required* to break off the pursuit once they determine the identity of the person they're pursuing...

How do you determine the identity of someone in a SUV traveling 91 mph, late at night, with tinted windows?

However, even that aside, parts of what Neo Deist is saying don't make sense... specifically his claim that he was legally required to pursue.

The law in Alabama, USA will be different than wherever you live in Canada. I already touched on gross negligence.

On top of all this, his description of what happened as "karma" makes me question his judgement. I don't trust a cop who thinks that it's positive when the person he's pursuing is injured and hospitalized.

I never said it was a positive, only that karma happened. I am a firm believer in karma.

However, nor will I get all teary eyed and boohoo over some thug (see: plague upon society) that got jacked up through the course of his own stupidity.

 

[suncowiam]

Awww... poor deer!

My thoughts exactly.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How do you determine the identity of someone in a SUV traveling 91 mph, late at night, with tinted windows?

My point was that they have a very high standard for when to initiate, and even when one happens, it isn't a matter of apprehending the person at all costs.

The law in Alabama, USA will be different than wherever you live in Canada. I already touched on gross negligence.

I checked a couple of online guides from American national organizations before posting that. I'm not going only by Ontario rules.

The problem is that I don't trust you at all to begin with, and what you're saying contradicts what I've been able to find elsewhere.

Maybe you're right; maybe you're just making excuses to defend your own actions. I'm not in a position to tell for sure.

I never said it was a positive, only that karma happened. I am a firm believer in karma

Meaning what, exactly?

I know what the Hindus mean by "karma", and it doesn't match how you used the term. Generally, when I hear non-Hindus use it, they're usually talking about some sense that people will get what they deserve. Did you mean something different by it?

However, nor will I get all teary eyed and boohoo over some thug (see: plague upon society) that got jacked up through the course of his own stupidity.

There's a pretty wide gulf between "not getting teary-eyed" and bragging.

 

[Neo Deist]

My point was that they have a very high standard for when to initiate, and even when one happens, it isn't a matter of apprehending the person at all costs.


I checked a couple of online guides from American national organizations before posting that. I'm not going only by Ontario rules.

The problem is that I don't trust you at all to begin with, and what you're saying contradicts what I've been able to find elsewhere.

Maybe you're right; maybe you're just making excuses to defend your own actions. I'm not in a position to tell for sure.


Meaning what, exactly?

I know what the Hindus mean by "karma", and it doesn't match how you used the term. Generally, when I hear non-Hindus use it, they're usually talking about some sense that people will get what they deserve. Did you mean something different by it?


There's a pretty wide gulf between "not getting teary-eyed" and bragging.

And you wonder why I did not want to even reply to you in the first place...