Politically Acceptable Racism

[oldbadger]

It doesn't matter what timeframe it will take place over, or even what race.

OMG!..... you have introduced 'timeframe'.
History has a horrible way of repeating itself, over and over again..,... and so humankind is going to have to repeatedly struggle against racism, prejudice, hatred and even cold blooded murderous genocide ........ over and over.

I just hope that we don't have to...... there seems to be plenty of racism, mass murder and genocide continuing in various parts of the world at this time........ I just hope that the majority of we Brits will hold out against racist elements here.

Fair enough?

 

[fschmidt]

Is there such a thing/will there ever be such a thing as politically acceptable racism?- for lack of a better word.

Yes, Talmudic Judaism is currently politically acceptable racism. Israel's criteria for right of return is racist and uses exactly the same racial definition of a Jew as the Nazis used. Talmudic Judaism itself is the world's only major racist religion, defining automatic membership by racial criteria. And this is ironic since it is in direct contradiction to the Hebrew Bible, but then Talmudic Judaism doesn't take the Hebrew Bible very seriously, replacing it with the Talmud.

 

[Kirran]

I'm not sure how exactly I came across this thread, but I felt I'd better reply to this.

If we are inundated with foreigners, those values start to get very diluted and end up non-existant. All we become is one giant melting pot of lots of different identities and values- instead of just one; which is the ideal way of doing things.

As a British-born British-raised child of an immigrant I find these views highly intolerant. Despite my foreigner heritage, and spending much of my life with a mixed national identity, I don't feel I've made the UK any worse off. My lack of conforming to this homogenous 'English' culture, which seems to also ignore Welsh culture (siwr o fod, dyw'r Cymry ddim yn Saesneg...) a swell as Scottish and Irish cultures and regional cultures hasn't, as far as I'm aware, destabilised the United Kingdom's government or corrupted its morals.

Would you advocate that I embrace a British identity, throw off my foreign heritage and aim to be a model British person?

 

[Yerda]

At this point for Europe, restricting immigration and kicking much of them out would be the only sane thing to do. Not by "race", really, but by culture.Those who are not willing to assimilate and uphold and respect the dominant culture and the native people can go.

Which one is the dominant one?

What are we to do with the illiterate natives who hold liberal democracy in contempt?

These Muslim ghettos in European cities need to be broken up, too.

Which cities have Muslim ghettos and how do you propose to break them up?

They also need to stop this refugee foolishness and send those boat people right back out to where they came from.

That's just sick.

 

[Kirran]

For example, in this Christian country (or at least, in the past) we believe that the sovereignty of Crown and Parliament are the highest powers, but to some foreigners (who, parhaps, hold an Islamist agenda), this isn't acceptable- which dilutes the voice of the majority who want it to be a Christian country.

Now that this thread seems to have been dragged from the grave, I'll raise another point there.

I don't want this to be a Christian country. I have no desire to see the intertwining of church and state continue. As long as a single non-Christian (or indeed, non-Anglican) lives in the UK, I think it's unfair. Of course, I may hold this view as a result of my Chilean and Dutch American heritage. Then again, a great-grandfather of mine governed this country four times as the first Labour Prime Minister, so I feel I've got a decent perspective on all this.

You imply that those who oppose the sovereignty of the Crown are Islamists? I would dispute this. I think the majority of people who oppose the institution of the monarchy are republicans with no ties to radical Islam.

EDIT: Are ethnic British converts to Islam going against British values and culture? What about socialists? Welsh nationalists? Anarchists?

 

[Ultimatum]

As a British-born British-raised child of an immigrant I find these views highly intolerant.

I'm sorry if you're offended but the:
"If you disagree with my view, you're intolerant"
seems to come across.

Despite my foreigner heritage, and spending much of my life with a mixed national identity, I don't feel I've made the UK any worse off.

Good!

My lack of conforming to this homogenous 'English' culture, which seems to also ignore Welsh culture (siwr o fod, dyw'r Cymry ddim yn Saesneg...) a swell as Scottish and Irish cultures and regional cultures hasn't, as far as I'm aware, destabilised the United Kingdom's government or corrupted its morals.

An individual will, generally, not by himself affect a particular set of values and cultures.

Would you advocate that I embrace a British identity, throw off my foreign heritage and aim to be a model British person?

I would advocate that you conform to the cultures and values that we hold.
Do you think it would be fair to halt halal/kosher practices for the concern of animal safety? This question embraces exactly that statement.

 

[Kirran]

I'm sorry if you're offended but the:
"If you disagree with my view, you're intolerant"
seems to come across.

I meant that more because of your lack of tolerance towards people in the UK who weren't of British cultural backgrounds.

An individual will, generally, not by himself affect a particular set of values and cultures.

But surely I'm contributing to this problem, even if I don't have any major impact myself?

I would advocate that you conform to the cultures and values that we hold.

Well, fair enough, but I'm afraid I have no interest in doing so for its own sake.

Do you think it would be fair to halt halal/kosher practices for the concern of animal safety? This question embraces exactly that statement.

If that was the actual purpose, and it was deemed a good idea, sure. But if that was the genuine purpose for the uproar about halal food, there wouldn't be a general blind eye turned to factory farming.

 

[Ultimatum]

I don't want this to be a Christian country. I have no desire to see the intertwining of church and state continue.

Neither do I.

As long as a single non-Christian (or indeed, non-Anglican) lives in the UK, I think it's unfair.

Okay. But one must acknowledge that this country's history is ingrained into religion. And for some people, these Judeo-Christian values are still important.

Of course, I may hold this view as a result of my Chilean and Dutch American heritage.

Absolutely not. I hold the same view. And I don't believe than Chilean or Dutch American heritage poses much of a cultural threat to the country.

Then again, a great-grandfather of mine governed this country four times as the first Labour Prime Minister, so I feel I've got a decent perspective on all this.

I find this very interesting. What political party do you support? And why do you think that because one of your ancestors held a certain position, you would, perhaps genetically, receive this passed down knowledge?
I don't remember feeling a hatred toward Jews even though my great-great-grandfather happened to be Nazi supporter.

You imply that those who oppose the sovereignty of the Crown are Islamists?

Not necessarily. And can I just point out that my views have changed slightly since 2014.

I would dispute this. I think the majority of people who oppose the institution of the monarchy are republicans with no ties to radical Islam.

I oppose the monarchy having any political role, also.

EDIT: Are ethnic British converts to Islam going against British values and culture?

Not necessarily. But we must not, out of political correctness, accept every other cultural practice (which is a threat to established culture).

What about socialists? Welsh nationalists? Anarchists?

One can hold a view. If he acts upon that particular view which poses a cultural and political threat, then he must detained.

 

[Ultimatum]

I meant that more because of your lack of tolerance towards people in the UK who weren't of British cultural backgrounds.

Not at all. If one acts against, in a harmful way, the national cultural heritage, then this is unacceptable.

But surely I'm contributing to this problem, even if I don't have any major impact myself?

Do you, in a harmful way, affect the political and cultural heritage of the country?

Well, fair enough, but I'm afraid I have no interest in doing so for its own sake.

Okay.

[/quote]If that was the actual purpose, and it was deemed a good idea, sure. But if that was the genuine purpose for the uproar about halal food, there wouldn't be a general blind eye turned to factory farming.[/QUOTE]

It's currently a concern.

 

[Kirran]

Okay. But one must acknowledge that this country's history is ingrained into religion. And for some people, these Judeo-Christian values are still important.

Certainly, it's been very influential. And if that's still important for some people, I have no problem with that. But I don't think it should be imposed on anybody either.

Absolutely not. I hold the same view. And I don't believe than Chilean or Dutch American heritage poses much of a cultural threat to the country.

Well, I figure it would contribute to the influx of non-British heritage into this country, along with the corresponding cultural baggage, which I personally think as being overall positive.

I find this very interesting. What political party do you support? And why do you think that because one of your ancestors held a certain position, you would, perhaps genetically, receive this passed down knowledge?
I don't remember feeling a hatred toward Jews even though my great-great-grandfather happened to be Nazi supporter.

I figure'd I'd mention it to balance out the elements of my family contributing foreign cultural baggage. I haven't received any knowledge via this route, but I feel like the combined heritage gives me some perspective on both sides (i.e. the British cultural establishment, and very much not).

Not necessarily. And can I just point out that my views have changed slightly since 2014.

Yeah, that's fair, it's an old thread.

Not necessarily. But we must not, out of political correctness, accept every other cultural practice (which is a threat to established culture).

I don't go against restricting that which impacts existing culture - we can hardly keep it static.

One can hold a view. If he acts upon that particular view which poses a cultural and political threat, then he must detained.

What would constitute a cultural threat?

Not at all. If one acts against, in a harmful way, the national cultural heritage, then this is unacceptable.

Same question.

Do you, in a harmful way, affect the political and cultural heritage of the country?

I'll answer this when I get that definition

It's currently a concern.

Factory farming? Or halal food?

 

[Mequa]

If racism is directed at "whites", especially "straight white men", I've noticed it does seem a lot more socially acceptable than that directed at any other demographic. In fact, a lot of people wouldn't even call that racism, even when it's directed at a "white" person in a primarily "ethnic" neighbourhood.

"Kill whitey" is the new socially accepted racial bigotry and anyone objecting is somehow assumed to be a white supremacist, or KKK member, or neo-Nazi, or whatever. Funny, that.

 

[Revoltingest]

If racism is directed at "whites", especially "straight white men", I've noticed it does seem a lot more socially acceptable than that directed at any other demographic. In fact, a lot of people wouldn't even call that racism, even when it's directed at a "white" person in a primarily "ethnic" neighbourhood.
"Kill whitey" is the new socially accepted racial bigotry and anyone objecting is somehow assumed to be a white supremacist, or KKK member, or neo-Nazi, or whatever. Funny, that.

It's amusing that even here on RF, some of those who consider themselves the most socially progressive feminists, will decry "fat old white men". Sexism, ageism, lookism & racism.....all in one venomous epithet. Their allies have no criticism for their fellows who speak thus, which bespeaks tacit approval.
But someday....if they're fortunate, they too will become old & fat members of their group. Their tune will change.