Poll: Give up your religion to save a stranger

[Smart_Guy]

I wouldn't lie about it. Fully denounce your faith. You can get it back when the threat is over. If it's still a threat, would you denounce it? Charity, though, doesn't have ties (I'm covered). It's the highest form of giving.

The reason I'm willing to lie about it, is because God knows our fragile nature of being humans and He knows what's in our hearts. Full belief rejection then getting back to it, I believe means that the full rejection was not real since telling you would get back to it means that you're still holding to your belief somewhere in your heart.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Guys, another question.

How far would your charity go before you think of yourself before another person?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The reason I'm willing to lie about it, is because God knows our fragile nature of being humans and He knows what's in our hearts. Full belief rejection then getting back to it, I believe means that the full rejection was not real since telling you would get back to it means that you're still holding to your belief somewhere in your heart.

Good point.

God got it covered, though, is another way of "getting out of it". If god knows the heart then saving another at an expense of your life wouldn't bother him? Would he punish you for it?

 

[Thanda]

Small good? Saving a life? I dont understand that.

As Thana pointed out, everyone is going to die. Therefore giving up my faith (which has eternal consequences - or in other words it has consequences for millions of years) in order to get a temporary reward for myself and someone else (extending that persons life by a few years, months, days or even hours - he could die immediately after you saved him) is a very foolish choice to make.

 

[Flankerl]

I am sorry but the entire concept is stupid. Name a single example for your point.
When would it "save" someone if anyone gave up his/her Religion?

People have been saving strangers from difficult situations for a long time and no one had to forfeit their Religion because of it.
So you obviously can't mean physical dangers.

Guys, another question.

How far would your charity go before you think of yourself before another person?

Talking about something like that is already far into the bragging territory. And one doesn't brag about charity.

 

[Aiviu]

I dont know about yours, but in my faith it is right to give myself for the sake of saving another person. Not all faiths think that way. Some have tenants that the faith/religion comes before any person. Which is very odd for me, when it comes to religion. Where is the limit of one "giving to help another in need" without puting ourselves in danger by doing so? Why is life so much important to us at the expense of letting someone else die?

In which faith its not? I was asking you if you understood something else about the essence of religion itself. To me religion is what i have written.

Save your reliigon (keep your religion) rather than give it up (turn from god, whatever) to save another from death. See above.

Again, to save your religious honesty is to save another. If its the way you saying here than it would be obviously the wrong understanding of ones religion.

 

[Thanda]

Guys, another question.

How far would your charity go before you think of yourself before another person?

Did you perhaps mean "How far would your charity go [if] you think of yourself before another person?"

If so, ultimately human being always think about themselves and always will. I believe even God puts himself first. But helping others comes from the realization that our own happiness is tied to the happiness of others. I cannot be truly happy if I watch other people suffer without doing anything to try to help. Therefore, because I love myself I see the need to love others.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Good point.

God got it covered, though, is another way of "getting out of it". If god knows the heart then saving another at an expense of your life wouldn't bother him? Would he punish you for it?

Um, I don't understand how the expense of my life part is within the topic. Perhaps I misunderstood the OP?

But as a different topic, yes, it would not bother God if I put my life on the line for another and He wouldn't punish me for it as long as I have the intention of not betraying Him for real, which he would know already.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In which faith its not? I was asking you if you understood something else about the essence of religion itself. To me religion is what i have written.

I can't think of other faiths but god-centered ones. Many god-centered faiths have it to where god (supreme being) wants others to see him first, then another. I don't understand it. As for the other part, religion is what you have written, basically you can write your moral about sacrifice.

Again, to save your religious honesty is to save another. If its the way you saying here than it would be obviously the wrong understanding of ones religion.

True. My point is giving up one's most tresured item, one's life for another even if we take religion out of it. In this case, I use religion since it is a person's life. I find it odd religion or not that one would keep it (no matter if they have the right or wrong understanding of their religion) rather than loose it to save another person's life.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Did you perhaps mean "How far would your charity go [if] you think of yourself before another person?"

Let me think. How far would your charity go it's "before" you think of yourself first before another?

cannot be truly happy if I watch other people suffer without doing anything to try to help. Therefore, because I love myself I see the need to love others.

When do you get to a point you'd think of yourself first?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

An entirely context dependent question.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Um, I don't understand how the expense of my life part is within the topic. Perhaps I misunderstood the OP?

But as a different topic, yes, it would not bother God if I put my life on the line for another and He wouldn't punish me for it as long as I have the intention of not betraying Him for real, which he would know already.

I appreciate that view. What IF he did punish you, would that change your view of saving someone else?

 

[Thanda]

Let me think. How far would your charity go it's "before" you think of yourself first before another?



When do you get to a point you'd think of yourself first?

You should always think of yourself first. Your first duty is to yourself. However to obtain happiness for yourself you cannot refuse to help others in anyway you can.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

An entirely context dependent question.

Could be. I'm not one to use context when saving a person's life. Guess everyone's different.

 

[Thanda]

I can't think of other faiths but god-centered ones. Many god-centered faiths have it to where god (supreme being) wants others to see him first, then another. I don't understand it. As for the other part, religion is what you have written, basically you can write your moral about sacrifice.



True. My point is giving up one's most tresured item, one's life for another even if we take religion out of it. In this case, I use religion since it is a person's life. I find it odd religion or not that one would keep it (no matter if they have the right or wrong understanding of their religion) rather than loose it to save another person's life.

I think you have very narrow view of life. Life on earth is just a part of a greater journey. When a person dies they don't cease to exist, they simply move on to another stage. Meanwhile someone's faith not only affects things in this life but also things in the life to come.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You should always think of yourself first. Your first duty is to yourself. However to obtain happiness for yourself you cannot refuse to help others in anyway you can.

I respect that. I know I try to think of others before myself. That's how my faith sees it. I find it for me selfish to think of myself only if I need to take care of myself in order to take care or save another. If I'm completely healthy and given that choice, I'd say the other person. Just like the child example. Many would save the child but not a total healthy adult stranger.

I understand where you come from.

 

[Thanda]

I respect that. I know I try to think of others before myself. That's how my faith sees it. I find it for me selfish to think of myself only if I need to take care of myself in order to take care or save another. If I'm completely healthy and given that choice, I'd say the other person. Just like the child example. Many would save the child but not a total healthy adult stranger.

I understand where you come from.

Funny enough, it might be wiser to save the adult than the child. A child is innocent and pure their life hereafter if they die is assured to be good. But the adult may have some unresolved issues they must deal with before they die.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think you have very narrow view of life. Life on earth is just a part of a greater journey. When a person dies they don't cease to exist, they simply move on to another stage. Meanwhile someone's faith not only affects things in this life but also things in the life to come.

If I were about to die and someone gave their life up for me, I would be internally grateful in this life and the next. Why would he let me die knowing I am not going to cease to exist? Every part of life is worth living and the next life is no different than things. Which makes sacrifice pretty useless if that is the case. Charity without strings may be a better way of putting it. For some reason when I put the word death in the equation, it becomes a huge moral issue. In my personal opinion it sounds a bit like ego. Though logical in everyone's respectiful religion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Funny enough, it might be wiser to save the adult than the child. A child is innocent and pure their life hereafter if they die is assured to be good. But the adult may have some unresolved issues they must deal with before they die.

Hmm. They are both human. Age doesn't make a person pure, the heart does.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I appreciate that view. What IF he did punish you, would that change your view of saving someone else?

You're welcome.

He promised that He would allow it, and promised the He would never turn back on his promises, so I assume you mean if it was not allowed? If so, then I would not verbally give up my belief even if I kept it at heart, but that does not mean I'd ignore the stranger in need, and try to consider other ways to help them.