Poll: Is God All-Good?

[Trailblazer]

if God were all-good, then this could only be the best of all worlds.

- viole

Why do you think that? I mean why would this world be the best of all possible worlds?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, this is not the best of all possible worlds. Heaven is a helluva lot better than earth.

Take it up with @viole.

Of course, the implication of your position is that God could have done better than he did with Earth, but just chose not to.

However, we have to live on this earth for a measured length of time, moreover future generations will continue living here on earth, so I believe that it is the job of humans to try to make this earth a better place.

... because God, left to his own devices, isn't enough.

 

[Trailblazer]

Take it up with @viole.

I just did.

Of course, the implication of your position is that God could have done better than he did with Earth, but just chose not to.

Yes, that is the implication; God could have done better by my standards, but not necessarily by other people's standards.

... because God, left to his own devices, isn't enough.

I am not sure what you mean, so I will let you explain that instead of guessing.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Supposedly, God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent (all-good).

Since we're focusing on the last one, there's supposedly the problem of evil for the last one.

Your poll is missing the only correct option. That option is:

Wheter god is good or evil, is irrelevant to wheter or not he actually exists.

My church is splitting due to the whole gay thing

"the whole gay thing"??

My cat is probably dying (no eye in one eye, blurry eyed in another, can't eat much and stumbling around). And despite spending money advertising and despite being pretty okay in terms of skill with self-employed gig, I can't seem to break through (most calls I do get about computers are either solicitations to phish for my info, calls that are for problems completely out of my depth like making actual glass for the computer, or people who call when I'm visiting family for Christmas).

Euh.... ok. I guess.

I'm not gonna discuss how much of this I could probably fix, but rather use it as an object lesson for the study of whether God is all-good or not.

Not seeing how any of the random sentences in the previous quote has any connection to that, but ok. I guess.

To me, I'm pretty certain God exists (not only from the personal changes in my life, but also because of philosophical reasons), but right now I'm only not sure how good he is. In fact I'm pretty mad at God.

For "philosophical reasons", you can believe just about anything.




Having said all that... Making a moral judgement of god's character can be done, regardless of god existing or not. Just like we can make a moral judgement of any character in any story - real or not.
I can watch star wars and evaluate the morals exhibited by Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, etc. I can do the same with your god by reading the bible.

And considering his behaviour in the bible, I can only conclude that he is a barbaric thug even worse then Saddam Hussein, Hitler and Kim Jung Un and every other evil dictator combined into 1.


In short: might, does not make right.

 

[Trailblazer]

And considering his behaviour in the bible, I can only conclude that he is a barbaric thug even worse then Saddam Hussein, Hitler and Kim Jung Un and every other evil dictator combined into 1.

Then it is a good thing the Bible was just stories men wrote about God, not anything God ever really did.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Then it is a good thing the Bible was just stories men wrote about God, not anything God ever really did.

There's no need for the emoticon.

I started out by saying that one can perfectly evaluate the morals exhibited by any character in any story - fictional or otherwise, just by reading the story.

Obviously I don't believe this god did anything, since I don't believe this god exists.
And yes, I believe the bible is just the superstitious ramblings of iron age humans, much like all religious scriptures are just the supersitious ramblings of those that came up with it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Obviously I don't believe this god did anything, since I don't believe this god exists.

I am glad you do not believe the things that are ascribed to God in the Bible.
This might seem odd to you, but some atheists believe that IF God exists God did them.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am glad you do not believe the things that are ascribed to God in the Bible.

Or any other religious book

This might seem odd to you, but some atheists believe that IF God exists God did them.

Obviously if a god exists, then at least 99.99% of religions will be wrong about said god - it might be 100% as well, if everybody got it wrong.

But none of this matters. The OP is speaking about the god of the bible, as described in the bible, so that's what I'm responding to.

 

[Trailblazer]

Obviously if a god exists, then at least 99.99% of religions will be wrong about said god - it might be 100% as well, if everybody got it wrong.

Why would that many religions be wrong?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why would that many religions be wrong?

Because they are mutually exclusive.

If the christians are right, then the hindu's are wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

Because they are mutually exclusive.

If the christians are right, then the hindu's are wrong.

Not necessarily, because the spiritual teachings of all religions are the same.

Just because different religions have different practices that does not mean they cannot both be right, logically speaking.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not necessarily, because the spiritual teachings of all religions are the same.

Disagree heavily.

Just because different religions have different practices that does not mean they cannot both be right, logically speaking.

Disagree again.

I think it's quite obvious that the vast majority of religions are completely incompatible with one another.

 

[Trailblazer]

Disagree heavily.

On what basis?
What is different about their spiritual teachings?

Disagree again.

I think it's quite obvious that the vast majority of religions are completely incompatible with one another.

I think it's quite obvious that the vast majority of religions were compatible with one another before the religious followers messed with the scriptures and misinterpreted them.

That does not mean all the religions were the same, because there would be no reason for God to reveal a religion that was exactly the same as He revealed before. Rather, each religion built upon the former religion, but it did not contradict the former one. It was the religious followers who contradicted each other because they misunderstood their scriptures.