Poll: Protests and Coronavirus

[Polymath257]

Definitely. I really miss going to the gym, especially for the elliptical for an ultra-minimal aerobic workout that is suitably for my knee, and I enjoy the red light therapy tube thingy. I also just have too much wrong with my body to want to risk adding oxygen deprivation unless it's necessary. And the risk of critical illness is much higher than it is the risk of death. Amd it sounds like a very nasty illness I just don't want.
It would be great to go to the Fox theater for a throwback movie or orchestra performance. Or go to a casino to try poker in that setting. Or sit down in a restaurant and have a margarita with dinner. But none of that is worth the risk of ending up in the hospital, gasping for air, your organs being starved of oxygen and damaged from it. Intubation is not something I want to go through. I am just fine staying home until I am forced back out (I assume at the end of the month when federal unemployment benefits expire and I have to go back out and work).

I have severe asthma. It's under control by medication, but my lungs already have scaring. I really don't need to get more by catching this virus.

 

[Polymath257]

Well, fortunately, we can blame all that on the protesters now.

Because an inept and tone-deaf response from the feds is clearly not the problem, right?

 

[Nakosis]

Because an inept and tone-deaf response from the feds is clearly not the problem, right?

I was being sarcastic, but yes, rule number one, whatever happens, find some way to take political advantage of it.

 

[Polymath257]

I was being sarcastic.

I actually caught that.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Most of the deaths are among the elderly in nursing facilities. With proper safeguards at the nursing facilities, the protest shouldn't have an effect on them. We know how to eliminate half of the deaths. That's on us and how we care for the elderly.

Latest story from the guvment:
Nationwide, 25% of Covid deaths are in nursing homes.
In first federal count, over 25,000 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

My view isn't represented.

I think that if *social distancing* is maintained, protests can be allowed. For example, the protest I went to maintained distance and still got the point across.

The 'conservatives' were protesting the social distancing and other aspects of the lockdown itself and not keeping the distancing required. That is a problem.

Those who are violating social distance provisions in the current protests should be condemned as spreading this virus. Should they be arrested? No more than the conservative protesters who ignored social distancing.

I note that most of the liberal protesters have masks on. The conservatives did not.

Those rioters (on the left or right) who are destroying property or looting should be condemned for their actions as well.

What he said...

 

[exchemist]

So, what do ya think? Is it OK for liberals to spread coronavirus and not conservatives? Are the BLM protests justified because of their importance, even if they lead to coronavirus deaths? No doubt this will be a controversial thread but I'm ready for the responses.

I think the "ya" in your post is, as usual, indicative of an attempt at a silly wind-up.

The poll choices are tendentious. But I realise that is the idea.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Okay, there's actually an answer "No they won't but conservative protests will"?

What is wrong with everyone's brain?

Let me repeat this.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE'S BRAIN?

If a virus won't spread from protestors from liberal groups, it will not spread from conservative groups! Viruses do not take political sides.

Second, there is no option of "No it won't spread due to that (because the Coronavirus is actually a Chinese psyop to get us all to accept martial law masked as "quarantine" ) but these people ought to be arrested for burning buildings and looting. " This is how any real conservative would think. No, we ought not panic about the spread of virus, yes we ought to stop social unrest.

To clarify, actual racism is a bad thing. This is not actual racism. This is people exploiting police brutality to start a race war, while shops continue to be closed, and people's livelihood they worked for year on is spit on, while people just decide to raid these buildings to get free TVs or clothing or whatever.

That you phrased these questions in this way reveals political bias.

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The majority vote also reveals bias.

Assembling. Everyone has the right to assemble. Except churches, of course, which haven't been able to meet for months.

Everyone has the right to protest. But when conservatives assemble peacefully to protest with signs, people immediately point out that they are not observing social distance, quarantine them, and they "mysteriously" get sick from the disease and die later. They are disappeared, so to speak.

No one, however, has the right to riot. What is the difference between rioting and protesting?

Difference Between Riot and Protest | Compare the Difference Between Similar Terms

Thankfully, DifferenceBetween has my back. It even shows pictures.

A riot involves theft, vandalism, and often burning things down. People get murdered during riots by the people rioting.

A protest on the other hand, people sign forms requesting permission to assemble. Generally, there is no theft or vandalism , though sometimes cops or counterprotestors fight with them. Typically the only violence is to the protestors, unless someone loses their cool (in which case it turns into a riot).

A riot is a temper tantrum. A protest is people legitimately airing grievances, and remaining civil. This was not a protest, and we have several pictures we can dig up to prove it. We do not have the right to riot.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So, what do ya think? Is it OK for liberals to spread coronavirus and not conservatives? Are the BLM protests justified because of their importance, even if they lead to coronavirus deaths? No doubt this will be a controversial thread but I'm ready for the responses.

I voted Yes and they should be arrested and quarantined, but only because there was no other option that best described my position as it isn't as white and black as this poll option makes it out to be.

Yes, there is a right to assembly and protest. However, these are exceptional circumstances and no matter how you turn it... To assemble in crowds today without respect for social distance (and I have seen a lot of pictures where that is the case), is extremely irresponsible to the point where I feel like there should be consequences.

The stone cold truth is that EVERY time social distancing isn't respect, you potentially kill several people.
If you are infected and due to such a crowded protest you infect 5 other people...
After a few weeks YOU being at that protest and not respecting the rules can potentially turn those 5 people into >1000, because they go on with the potential risk of infecting others as well while not quarantined.

Of those 1000, several will end up in ICU. 20 tot 50% of them, will not make it out again. Those deaths, technically, are on your hands then.

At the same time, I think specifically in the US, arresting people for that is harsh, because (as far as I can tell anyway), the leadership in the US is failing very hard in dealing with Corona and in educating the citizens about how to deal with it and how grave the situation is... When 1500 deaths per day were being reported and the bodies in New York were literally being stacked in mobile coolers due to overflown morgues... POTUS himself was yammering about how the measures were a bad thing and how the country had to open up again etc.

How serious can you expect citizens to take the situation, when their leaders are saying such things themselves?

The fact is that the US currently is a complete mess and the misery will continue. And protests that don't respect social distancing are only going to make it even worse (and longer).

 

[Wandering Monk]

I voted Yes and they should be arrested and quarantined, but only because there was no other option that best described my position as it isn't as white and black as this poll option makes it out to be.

Yes, there is a right to assembly and protest. However, these are exceptional circumstances and no matter how you turn it... To assemble in crowds today without respect for social distance (and I have seen a lot of pictures where that is the case), is extremely irresponsible to the point where I feel like there should be consequences.

The stone cold truth is that EVERY time social distancing isn't respect, you potentially kill several people.
If you are infected and due to such a crowded protest you infect 5 other people...
After a few weeks YOU being at that protest and not respecting the rules can potentially turn those 5 people into >1000, because they go on with the potential risk of infecting others as well while not quarantined.

Of those 1000, several will end up in ICU. 20 tot 50% of them, will not make it out again. Those deaths, technically, are on your hands then.

At the same time, I think specifically in the US, arresting people for that is harsh, because (as far as I can tell anyway), the leadership in the US is failing very hard in dealing with Corona and in educating the citizens about how to deal with it and how grave the situation is... When 1500 deaths per day were being reported and the bodies in New York were literally being stacked in mobile coolers due to overflown morgues... POTUS himself was yammering about how the measures were a bad thing and how the country had to open up again etc.

How serious can you expect citizens to take the situation, when their leaders are saying such things themselves?

The fact is that the US currently is a complete mess and the misery will continue. And protests that don't respect social distancing are only going to make it even worse (and longer).

Poll I have seen consistently show American, by a wide margin, are more cautious than their leaders on this issue.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Poll I have seen consistently show American, by a wide margin, are more cautious than their leaders on this issue.

I suppose chances are high that over here at the other side of the world, peacefull socially distant protests are a little too boring for prime time / front page news...