Poll says: majority approve of President Trump

[Quetzal]

I've heard of Zogby, but after the last presidential election, I don't pay much attention to polls in general.

So many of them seem to be bankrolled by a media outlet to peddle a narrative. They then find data to support that narrative. I find that practice to be backwards, you should find the data first and then write a narrative to explain it. But here we are...

 

[David1967]

So many of them seem to be bankrolled by a media outlet to peddle a narrative.

It does seem that way. Much like the "news media" is really just custom made for what a person prefers to hear. You like Trump? Watch Fox news. You like Obama or Hillary? watch MSNBC. I've pretty much stopped watching the major news channels and get the basics of what's going on from my local stations. If polls we're that useful, Hillary Clinton would have won by a landslide. IMHO of course.

 

[fantome profane]

According to Zogby polling the majority of Americans approve of the job President Trump is doing. This is a higher rate of approval than former President Obama had at the same period during his terms.

Zogby Analytics - The Zogby Poll®: Trump's job approval tops 50%; A majority of Millennials approve of Trump; Nearly half of Generation Z voters approve of Trump; Trump is winning back Hispanic, Independent, college educated and urban voters

I think it is extremely important that people don’t get complacent. Good honest Americans need to work very very hard to ensure Trump does not get re-elected. Regardless of what any poll says just assume that it could happen and do everything you can to prevent it.

Thank you for this warning, I hope people don’t ignore it.


(On the other hand if you are a Trump supporter, you can relax. He has got this in the bag. You don’t need to do anything. You can even say home on Election Day,)

 

[Revoltingest]

If polls we're that useful, Hillary Clinton would have won by a landslide. IMHO of course.

A story I've told before....
Back in Oct 2016, the polls showed Hillary winning overwhelmingly.
But in my travels around the N eastern US, I saw many Trump yard
signs, but only 2 Hillary signs. The only reason I counted hers was
that I only saw those 2.
Certainly neither my poll or the others were accurate representations
of larger voter preferences. But my BS alarm sounded off.

Note:
If I'd driven around my own town (within the city limits), I'd have seen
many Hillary yard signs, but not one for Trump. (Putting up one of
his would've invited vandalism.)

 

[oldbadger]

According to Zogby polling the majority of Americans approve of the job President Trump is doing. This is a higher rate of approval than former President Obama had at the same period during his terms.

Zogby Analytics - The Zogby Poll®: Trump's job approval tops 50%; A majority of Millennials approve of Trump; Nearly half of Generation Z voters approve of Trump; Trump is winning back Hispanic, Independent, college educated and urban voters

A week is a long time in politics.

If President trump keeps bashing China will China be more trade friendly with Europe?

If so, I could warm to him,even though the average Brit won't.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It does seem that way. Much like the "news media" is really just custom made for what a person prefers to hear. You like Trump? Watch Fox news. You like Obama or Hillary? watch MSNBC. I've pretty much stopped watching the major news channels and get the basics of what's going on from my local stations. If polls we're that useful, Hillary Clinton would have won by a landslide. IMHO of course.

Hillary did win by a landslide. In that she won the popular vote by millions. The polls of American voters at large were by in large correct. But it's unlikely for any pollster place getting a representative sample of the EC to matter much.
However, places like five thirty eight were remarkably close. With only two percent difference between the predicted EC votes and what actually transpired.

 

[Revoltingest]

According to Zogby polling the majority of Americans approve of the job President Trump is doing. This is a higher rate of approval than former President Obama had at the same period during his terms.

Zogby Analytics - The Zogby Poll®: Trump's job approval tops 50%; A majority of Millennials approve of Trump; Nearly half of Generation Z voters approve of Trump; Trump is winning back Hispanic, Independent, college educated and urban voters

Let's set aside the question of polling accuracy.
I notice something fascinating.....
When Trump's poll numbers are low, anti-Trumpettes offer them up as evidence of his failure.
Example....
Trump’s Approval Rating Plunges To Historic New Low Days Before Inauguration
When Trump's poll numbers are high, anti-Trumpettes dismiss polling as inaccurate.
Example....
See the posts following the OP.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hillary did win by a landslide. In that she won the popular vote by millions.

2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
From the above, she won the popular vote with 48.2% to 46.1%
And her total was only a plurality, not a majority.
That is not a "landslide".

Here is an example of a real one...
1972 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
60.7% to 37.5%....now that is a landslide.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
From the above, she won the popular vote with 48.2% to 46.1%
And her total was only a plurality, not a majority.
That is not a "landslide".

Here is an example of a real one...
1972 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
60.7% to 37.5%....now that is a landslide.

It was a majority except to anyone lauding an ancient artifact of slavery protections who has a funny idea about what 'majority' means as an argument of convenience. And it was millions.
Hillary Clinton Leads by 2.8 Million in Final Popular Vote Count

 

[Stanyon]

" Zogby Interactive — Zogby Analytics, popular in both the mainstream media and pop culture, is the brainchild of John Zogby, a pollster who has successfully predicted the result of nearly every presidential election from 1996 to 2012. A registered Democrat, Zogby’s polling group is actually known to show Republican bias in its solid record of 78 percent predictive accuracy."
source​

How Reliable Is the Zogby-Journal Poll?

“The Zogby stuff, on scientific grounds, is quite questionable,” says Zukin. “Online, Internet, opt-in polling, where people volunteer to be respondents, doesn’t really have a basis in scientific validity. There are two kinds of samples in the world. There are probability samples, and there are non-probability samples.”

The Zogby interactive polls, says Zukin, clearly fall into the latter camp. “With probability samples, when everybody has a known chance of being selected, you can make pretty valid inferences about the population from which it is drawn,” says Zukin. “You can’t do that at all with self-selected surveys. That’s a problem.”

Another problem with Internet-based polling, says Zukin, is that, in general, Web and email-based surveys tend to overvalue the opinions of young people. A group that is notoriously lousy at showing up to actually vote.

As I have written repeatedly, the poll that I think is the least credible is Zogby/Wall Street Journal/Battleground States,” adds Burka. “I can’t believe the Journal allows its name to be attached to this so-called poll.”
source

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So much for anything that comes out of a Zogby poll.

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It's not too far off of from the Gallup poll which is regarded as highly factual and least biased. Trumps approval rating is around ~%46 according to them which is actually ~%2 higher than Obamas at the same point during his presidency.

BTW I don't put much stock in polls but it is fun to twist the knife a little in those who feel one.

 

[Revoltingest]

It was a majority except to anyone lauding an ancient artifact of slavery protections who has a funny idea about what 'majority' means as an argument of convenience. And it was millions.
Hillary Clinton Leads by 2.8 Million in Final Popular Vote Count

Playing games by using a different definition of "majority" eh.
In the context of my post about her plurality (which means less
than 50%), she did not have a majority (in the sense of over 50%).
With so many voters, saying "millions" doesn't tell an accurate
story about the margin of winning. 48.2% to 46.1%...a difference
of 2.1% of voters is not even close to a "landslide".

 

[Augustus]

Let's set aside the question of polling accuracy.
I notice something fascinating.....
When Trump's poll numbers are low, anti-Trumpettes offer them up as evidence of his failure.
Example....
Trump’s Approval Rating Plunges To Historic New Low Days Before Inauguration
When Trump's poll numbers are high, anti-Trumpettes dismiss polling as inaccurate.
Example....
See the posts following the OP.

Something else fascinating about polls is that people continually construct narratives based on drawing a specific conclusion which ignore the margin of error.

"Trump 51% more popular than Obama 48%". MoE 4% means Trump 47-55% Obama 44-52%.

Redo the same poll with the same methodology and it might show "Obama (52%) significantly more popular than Trump (47%)"

In elections "Clinton lead grows over Trump from 1% to 3%" , rather than "Poll shows Clinton v Trump still too close to call".

Then people will construct narratives about the narratives: "Trump loses ground in polls after making racist comments about the moon".

Almost everything to do with polls is simply noise, yet they get so much coverage (which as you note is often simply partisan point scoring)

(and all this assumes the MoE is correct, which it certainly isn't; it's significantly bigger than stated which makes such narratives even more ludicrous)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Playing games by using a different definition of "majority" eh.
In the context of my post about her plurality (which means less
than 50%), she did not have a majority (in the sense of over 50%).
With so many voters, saying "millions" doesn't tell an accurate
story about the margin of winning. 48.2% to 46.1%...a difference
of 2.1% of voters is not even close to a "landslide".

No, I'm using a the only correct definition of 'majority.' As in 'the majority of voters voted for Clinton while the minority voted for Trump.' Some people just like to give him more credit than he deserves. Which, granted, that he got even that much is more credit than he deserved. But what can you say? US is a ****ty place.

 

[Revoltingest]

Something else fascinating about polls is that people continually construct narratives based on drawing a specific conclusion which ignore the margin of error.

"Trump 51% more popular than Obama 48%". MoE 4% means Trump 47-55% Obama 44-52%.

Redo the same poll with the same methodology and it might show "Obama (52%) significantly more popular than Trump (47%)"

In elections "Clinton lead grows over Trump from 1% to 3%" , rather than "Poll shows Clinton v Trump still too close to call".

Then people will construct narratives about the narratives: "Trump loses ground in polls after making racist comments about the moon".

Almost everything to do with polls is simply noise, yet they get so much coverage (which as you note is often simply partisan point scoring)

(and all this assumes the MoE is correct, which it certainly isn't; it's significantly bigger than stated which makes such narratives even more ludicrous)

People attach way to much significance to them.
Even if they accurately represented all voters, they're still meaningless.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I'm using a the only correct definition of 'majority.' .

Oh, really?
You need to correct all those dictionaries out there.
They even have the over 50% definition as the primary definition.
Ref....
the definition of majority
Definition of MAJORITY

This points out the usefulness of the word, "plurality",
which is lacks the ambiguity of "majority".

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Oh, really?
You need to correct all those dictionaries out there.
Ref....
the definition of majority

Yep, and Trump lost more than half the American voters. The problem is the US is wildly backwards and still gives some votes more weight than others because it was worried about larger Northern cities toppling Southern slavery infrastructure back in the day. So now we only pretend that what gets in is what the majority of Americans want.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep, and Trump lost more than half the American voters. The problem is the US is wildly backwards and still gives some votes more weight than others because it was worried about larger Northern cities toppling Southern slavery infrastructure back in the day. So now we only pretend that what gets in is what the majority of Americans want.

It's the system nonetheless, even if it did once benefit
Democrats who supported that very same slavery.

Hey, what are Democrats in Congress doing to amend
the Constitution to have the popular vote rule?

 

[ChristineM]

What kind of wine are you drinking?

Not me drinking bitter fact wine

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's the system nonetheless, even if it did once benefit
Democrats who supported that very same slavery.

*eyeroll* Democratic Republicans were the good old Southern boys who faught to keep slavery, (which was also 'the system' and also amended against in the constitution) and bore no resemblance to the modern democratic party, who fight for the same people Republicans are happy to continue ****ting on. (And libertarians who look at the Republican 'small enough government to fit into a uterus,' shrug, and say 'close enough.')

 

[Daemon Sophic]

.....you should find the data first and then write a narrative to explain it. But here we are...

Hush you!! Yer startin’ t’ soun like one of dem dagburn scientifical types.
We don’t take to none o’ that here in ‘Murica! Get on back to Sciensylvania, or whereva y’all done came from!



For me, the polling is terribly premature, with what? 24? democratic candidates so far. They’ll spend the next 8+ months culling the weak, before any of them shine too bright a light upon the incumbent cockroach in the White House.

At the moment, such polls as the OP (biased as it is) just show how easily fooled the Americans are by Don the Conman’s lies backed by his “state” media.
Take this sad but real poll for example....

“A majority, 54 percent, say they think Trump has been successful in business, the poll shows, while 36 percent say he has been unsuccessful. One in 10 voters say they have no opinion about his success.”

Fully 85 percent of Republican voters say Trump has been successful, while only 10 percent say he’s been unsuccessful. Democratic voters see Trump’s business career differently: Three in 10, 30 percent, say he’s been successful, while 61 percent say he’s been unsuccessful. Among independents, 49 percent say Trump has been successful, and 34 percent say he’s been unsuccessful.” ​

Whereas reality shows that he is a do-nothing elitist who inherited massive wealth, and has repeatedly blown it, often on corrupt schemes, that have earned him much less than simply taking daddy’s millions and plopping them into a standard investment plan.

All hail the Aristocracy that the anti-American conservatives are so desperately trying to bring back!

Must be nice to be an elitist 0.1%er like Don the Con, with so much money from daddy that you can burn it, just to hurt other people, and make yourself feel bigger than the tiny conman that you are.


Actually, that is a dishonorable path that I would never follow.