Poll says: majority approve of President Trump

[Riders]

I read the reports its 45 percent are you saying that reports wrong? Can you win the presidency with 45 percent? It better be higher in 2020 for him to win.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's the system nonetheless, even if it did once benefit
Democrats who supported that very same slavery.

Hey, what are Democrats in Congress doing to amend
the Constitution to have the popular vote rule?

I confess that I don't like it much (who cares, since I'm Canadian?), but I agree with you, that's how the system is constitutionally arranged, and it is therefore the only way at present to legally elect a President. If one doesn't like it, get out and demonstrate for electoral reform.

Funny thing, in Canada's last election in 2015, the Liberal Party of Canada under Justin Trudeau swore that "this will be the last election using 'first past the post' method." I was enchanted, because in a country where 5 or more parties regularly run, it is entirely possible to have a majority government elected by remarkably few Canadians. That can be a bad thing, because a Canadian PM with a majority in Parliament basically has more executive and legislative clout than a US President.

Think of it this way: if you have 4 parties running a candidate in every riding in Canada, and in each one, the same party wins by a margin of only 1 percentage or so (i.e. the winner got 25.1% of the vote, and all the others got 25% or slightly less), then that party would hold 100% of the seats in Parliament, having done so by winning just barely over a quarter of the population's support.

It's never that bad, of course, but in the last election in Ontario, the Conservatives won 40.5% of the popular vote, resulting in a majority government with 71% of the seats in the Legislature. That's enough to let the Premier do as he likes, basically. In Canada's last general election, the LIberals under Trudeau won a comfortable 57% seat majority, while winning only 39.1% of the popular vote.

I personally think we can do better, and I still long for electoral reform. But that's a big change for most folks to chew on, and as it frightens them, it's basically not very doable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do try harder with the reading comprehension. That isn't what I said. I said facism from Trump would be more believable than a Hitlerian genocide. He admires fascists, has praised their rules, uses their lingo and makes fascist 'jokes' that aren't really, keeps their literature, makes excuses for their abuse and so on and so on.

But of course there are those who would take any excuse for him. He's said as much

I try to read your posts carefully.
But it's like trying to use a wet rope to push an
angry snake out from under a porch, what with
your changes of subject whenever cornered.
The whataboutism notwithstanding, the OP is
correct....the poll shows a majority approve.
(I don't, btw.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Doesn't say much for pollsters and folks who quote 'em, does it? Oh well, ... the matter set me to wondering, so I went looking for info and found this: FAQs | NCPP - National Council on Public Polls from

• The National Council on Public Polls (NCPP) website. "The National Council on Public Polls (NCPP) is an association of polling organizations established in 1969. Its mission is to set the highest professional standards for public opinion pollsters, and to advance the understanding, among politicians, the media and general public, of how polls are conducted and how to interpret poll results."

Kind of funny that a bunch of folks who engage in an activity (i.e. public opinion polling), that has "questionable accuracy" and "even less meaning," are interested in "the highest professional standards".

At the NCPP site I find:

• 5. Why is job approval for elected officials asked so often in polls?
  • Job approval is a question asked in polls for over 50 years, asked about presidents from Harry Truman to Bill Clinton. It is a measure of potential electoral success for an incumbent president (or state and local elected officials) and is useful for trend purposes. Incumbents who fail to win approval from a majority of the public for the job they are doing are very often in trouble on election day.

• 6. How accurate are polls?
  • The NCPP analyzed final presidential election polls conducted by the national media dating back over 50 years. When compared with actual election outcomes, average poll error for presidential elections between 1956 and 1996 has been declining. Average poll error on each candidate during this period was 1.9 percentage points.
  • Important to this analysis of accuracy is that most of these polls were conducted within days or even hours before election day. Polls conducted 1-2 weeks before election day or even longer by local newspapers and TV stations cannot usually be expected to closely match election outcomes. Earlier polls are intended to monitor the success of campaigns and to identify the issues or events which will influence voter preferences on
    election day.

IMO, the following article article provides some interesting info pertaining to the history of polling in the U.S. and John Zogby, The Pollster

I think many pollsters do a good job.
But those consuming the polls misread the results & the significance to us.
They appear to only matter when my guy looks good, & their guy stinks.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lol wow what a goalpost move. .

 

[Revoltingest]

I confess that I don't like it much (who cares, since I'm Canadian?), but I agree with you, that's how the system is constitutionally arranged, and it is therefore the only way at present to legally elect a President. If one doesn't like it, get out and demonstrate for electoral reform.

Funny thing, in Canada's last election in 2015, the Liberal Party of Canada under Justin Trudeau swore that "this will be the last election using 'first past the post' method." I was enchanted, because in a country where 5 or more parties regularly run, it is entirely possible to have a majority government elected by remarkably few Canadians. That can be a bad thing, because a Canadian PM with a majority in Parliament basically has more executive and legislative clout than a US President.

Think of it this way: if you have 4 parties running a candidate in every riding in Canada, and in each one, the same party wins by a margin of only 1 percentage or so (i.e. the winner got 25.1% of the vote, and all the others got 25% or slightly less), then that party would hold 100% of the seats in Parliament, having done so by winning just barely over a quarter of the population's support.

It's never that bad, of course, but in the last election in Ontario, the Conservatives won 40.5% of the popular vote, resulting in a majority government with 71% of the seats in the Legislature. That's enough to let the Premier do as he likes, basically. In Canada's last general election, the LIberals under Trudeau won a comfortable 57% seat majority, while winning only 39.1% of the popular vote.

I personally think we can do better, and I still long for electoral reform. But that's a big change for most folks to chew on, and as it frightens them, it's basically not very doable.

You & I should take over both countries, & fix'm.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You & I should take over both countries, & fix'm.

But then, we are both democrats (note the small "d"). "Taking over" would be an affront to my democratic soul. And I'm still not old enough to be a "benign dictator." I take my lessons from the Roman emperors...as long as I can still "get it up" occasionally, the world can't trust me to be in total command. Heck, I couldn't trust myself!

 

[Revoltingest]

But then, we are both democrats (note the small "d"). "Taking over" would be an affront to my democratic soul. And I'm still not old enough to be a "benign dictator." I take my lessons from the Roman emperors...as long as I can still "get it up" occasionally, the world can't trust me to be in total command. Heck, I couldn't trust myself!

Of course, we'd take over passively, at the hands of others.
(No one who actually wants the job is qualified to do it.)
The coup perpetrators would see our intelligence & magnanimity,
& demand of us that we assume the position.


OK....phrasing could be better.

 

[Quetzal]

I confess that I don't like it much (who cares, since I'm Canadian?), but I agree with you, that's how the system is constitutionally arranged, and it is therefore the only way at present to legally elect a President. If one doesn't like it, get out and demonstrate for electoral reform.

Correct, this cannot be a unilateral power play. It needs to come from the majority first.

 

[Enoch07]

Zogby? LOL!

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The Worst Pollster in the World Strikes Again

Your article is over 10 years old. Talk about irrelevant!

 

[fantome profane]

Can you win the presidency with 45 percent?

Yes. He did in 2016.

 

[Riders]

Hillary's stats were also high, why didnt she get voted in if your right?

 

[Riders]

Yes. He did in 2016.

Actually his polls are going down anyways, hes down to 42 percent.
Trump Approval Edges Down to 42%

 

[Watchmen]

As much hate as gets spewed at Trump, an approval in the 40s seems pretty remarkable to me.

 

[tytlyf]

Unfortunately in America, the majority of people aren't very bright. Hence the universal term of American's as "fat and stupid." I live here, but I'm no dummy and will always point out the obvious.

Only 1 party fights to keep it that way...propagandize the education system. Defund it. Why?

 

[Riders]

As much hate as gets spewed at Trump, an approval in the 40s seems pretty remarkable to me.

better pray it stays that way then it may keep going.

 

[Shad]

According to Zogby polling the majority of Americans approve of the job President Trump is doing. This is a higher rate of approval than former President Obama had at the same period during his terms.

Zogby Analytics - The Zogby Poll®: Trump's job approval tops 50%; A majority of Millennials approve of Trump; Nearly half of Generation Z voters approve of Trump; Trump is winning back Hispanic, Independent, college educated and urban voters

After 2016 one should take polls with a truck load of salt.

 

[Shad]

Yeah like how North Korea is a Republic.

No it is history. Look up Lincoln.... One of the reasons for the Civil War was that the South saw Lincoln and the Republican platform as radical for it's anti-slavery stance. They took Lincoln off a number of ballots in the South so people couldn't vote for him. If he was pro-slavery why try rigging an election?