Poll: Should homosexuals be chaste?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well this was way more boring than expected...

You're telling me.

 

[joelr]

I don't think this would be such an issue if both the bride and groom were virgins before marriage.

Neither would have experienced a "sex life" prior to being committed to one another - therefore no unfair or unrealistic expectations.

Some people just do not like sex. Upbringing, emotional reasons, hormone imbalance, who knows. Some people also think some topics are off limits for further discussion or professional help. Your requests to maybe speak to a couples marriage therapist is met with accusations of "stop being a pervert". Others believe this activity is only for procreation and can only involve one position.
I personally knew one person who was curvy but hated her body. So always - lights out, one position. Also had issues about guilt tied up to sex.
In the modern world people do have some basic expectations and envision a nice, 2-way compatible satisfying sex life.
But hey, if one wants to roll the dice and not know then I don't care. I've seen it go south though, in a bad way.

People also have a funny way of not talking about these issues before marriage. Sex, religion, expectations.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Some people just do not like sex. Upbringing, emotional reasons, hormone imbalance, who knows. Some people also think some topics are off limits for further discussion or professional help. Your requests to maybe speak to a couples marriage therapist is met with accusations of "stop being a pervert". Others believe this activity is only for procreation and can only involve one position.
I personally knew one person who was curvy but hated her body. So always - lights out, one position. Also had issues about guilt tied up to sex.
In the modern world people do have some basic expectations and envision a nice, 2-way compatible satisfying sex life.
But hey, if one wants to roll the dice and not know then I don't care. I've seen it go south though, in a bad way.

People also have a funny way of not talking about these issues before marriage. Sex, religion, expectations.

I am convinced that the majority of those men and women who remain chaste before marriage are more likely to avoid these unfair or unrealistic expectations.

This chastity includes an aversion to pornography and masturbation.

 

[Skywalker]

I am convinced that the majority of those men and women who remain chaste before marriage are more likely to avoid these unfair or unrealistic expectations.

This chastity includes an aversion to pornography and masturbation.

I think people who remain chaste before marriage are less likely to be homophobic.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I think people who remain chaste before marriage are less likely to be homophobic.

What do you mean?

 

[Skywalker]

What do you mean?

Homophobia is a form of pride.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Homophobia is a form of pride.

Right on. Fear comes from pride.

You believe that those who remain chaste before marriage are more humble than those who don't - and therefore are less likely to be homophobic?

 

[Skywalker]

Right on. Fear comes from pride.

You believe that those who remain chaste before marriage are more humble than those who don't - and therefore are less likely to be homophobic?

They are less likely to look down on people because of engaging in sexual sins that are more likely to be considered gross.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am convinced that the majority of those men and women who remain chaste before marriage are more likely to avoid these unfair or unrealistic expectations.

This chastity includes an aversion to pornography and masturbation.

Since when does sexually frustrating yourself lead to healthy expectations? It can also lead to people marrying very young just so they can have sex because they've been brainwashed into thinking that marriage is the only acceptable outlet for sexual urges and that they can't even masturbate, which is something that happens. That is too extreme. There's a middle ground between being promiscuous and living like a monk.

 

[Skywalker]

Since when does sexually frustrating yourself lead to healthy expectations? It can also lead to people marrying very young just so they can have sex because they've been brainwashed into thinking that marriage is the only acceptable outlet for sexual urges and that they can't even masturbate, which is something that happens. That is too extreme. There's a middle ground between being promiscuous and living like a monk.

There are boundaries about respecting yourself and others.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There are boundaries about respecting yourself and others.

Duh. What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[Skywalker]

Duh. What does that have to do with what I said?

Agreeing to do something wrong doesn't make it right.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Agreeing to do something wrong doesn't make it right.

And what is the wrong thing you're referring to?

 

[Skywalker]

And what is the wrong thing you're referring to?

Sex that is between people who are not husband and wife. Agreeing to do something wrong doesn't make it right, doesn't mean Im equating gay relationships with abusive relationships, but marriage is the only relationship where whats off limits belongs to the other person.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sex that is between people who are not husband and wife. Agreeing to do something wrong doesn't make it right, doesn't mean Im equating gay relationships with abusive relationships, but marriage is the only relationship where whats off limits belongs to the other person.

How does having a government contract (marriage license) all of a sudden make having sex ethical? This is all subjective and no one has ever presented a logical argument as to why sex outside of a marriage is so evil that doesn't involve their god or scriptures. You certainly can't make a logical argument with evidence that masturbation is harmful. And if it's not harmful, what's the reason for thinking it's bad? Your god saying so isn't reason enough for anyone who doesn't share your religious views.

 

[Skywalker]

How does having a government contract (marriage license) all of a sudden make having sex ethical? This is all subjective and no one has ever presented a logical argument as to why sex outside of a marriage is so evil that doesn't involve their god or scriptures. You certainly can't make a logical argument with evidence that masturbation is harmful. And if it's not harmful, what's the reason for thinking it's bad? Your god saying so isn't reason enough for anyone who doesn't share your religious views.

Marriages didnt involve government contracts in the past. So its not the government contract itself that makes sex ethical, but in this time in history, thats how marriage works.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Marriages didnt involve government contracts in the past. So its not the government contract itself that makes sex ethical, but in this time in history, thats how marriage works.

You're not answering my question. What about marriage instantly makes having sex ethical?

 

[Skywalker]

You're not answering my question. What about marriage instantly makes having sex ethical?

The husband and wife have authority over each other's bodies. That is what it means that they are married. Something otherwise not appropriate, like people of the opposite gender living and sleeping together, is appropriate in a marriage.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The husband and wife have authority over each other's bodies. That is what it means that they are married. Something otherwise not appropriate, like people of the opposite gender living and sleeping together, is appropriate in a marriage.

That's not a good argument because not everyone wants such a relationship dynamic (viewing your partner as your possession is hardly healthy) and you can certainly have it without being married.

Mind you, I have no problem with marriage. I just don't buy the idea that sex without being married is somehow wrong.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Since when does sexually frustrating yourself lead to healthy expectations? It can also lead to people marrying very young just so they can have sex because they've been brainwashed into thinking that marriage is the only acceptable outlet for sexual urges and that they can't even masturbate, which is something that happens. That is too extreme. There's a middle ground between being promiscuous and living like a monk.

Some people may also have been brainwashed into thinking that avoiding masturbation makes someone sexually frustrated.