Kelly of the Phoenix
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Unless He doesn’t.And the beauty of this is, that when you do need Him, you need only seek and He will be there.
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Unless He doesn’t.And the beauty of this is, that when you do need Him, you need only seek and He will be there.
But if He becomes just regular potent, then He cannot have the power to return to omnipotent.
A convenient unverified assumption, eh.It’s often what doctors say when it’s time to circumcise.
Well, I follow a group on FB about genital autonomy. Doctors SHOULD know by now that babies and POC can feel pain, but there are many who skipped that class.A convenient unverified assumption, eh.
That's been debunked a long time ago. In fact, Doctors never believed that. They just had the hypothesis that infants don't remember pain and it therefore doesn't have any long lasting effects.It’s often what doctors say when it’s time to circumcise.
@dybmh : Well?
So, why do you fear your god and why do you think other people should live in fear of it?
@dybmh : You didn't answer this one either.
Your position is so easily defeated. Just to clarify the paradox, I'll reword it slightly:
"Can an entity create a stone that it can never lift it?"
Where's your temporal impotence now?
OK, I can respect that. I don't really understand how people like to be afraid but to each their own.Sorry, sorry.
Fear is the beginning. That's the verse. I'm not saying I live in fear. And I don't think others should live in fear.
I fear God, because there is no other power. And God can be dreadful. It's a combo of respect, awe, fear, excitement, etc...
If you don't want to fear God, that's up to you. But a lot of people enjoy being afraid under the right circumstances. Fear of God is kinda fun.
So, not being able to do something is omnipotence?It can't create a stone that it cannot lift is also omnipotence. Double-negative...
So, not being able to do something is omnipotence?
I can create a stone that I can't lift. Am I omnipotent? (That's a rhetorical question.)
These "little" contradictions are solid proof that a certain god, namely an omnipotent one, can't exist - at least for those proficient in logic.Anyway, these little theoretical (non)contradictions have to be among the worst arguments against God. And this thread is supposed to be about the best arguments.
These "little" contradictions are solid proof that a certain god, namely an omnipotent one, can't exist - at least for those proficient in logic.
But that was a tangent. The best argument, according to the poll, is the lack of evidence.
My personal favorite is that those who believe in gods (and atheists alike) don't even know what a god is.
Your definition - which you invented so you can still call your god "omnipotent" even though you have been shown that that is an impossibility.No.... I just showed you, the god described is always omnipotent. The god that cannot create something that cannot be lifted is also omnipotent. That's the definition of omnipotent.
That's applying the correct burden of proof.That's an argument from ignorance.
You don't. True knowledge is transferable. If you can't teach it to others, you don't have knowledge. You have faith.I do. Eternal, solitary before creation, tri-omni.
And that is the reason why god will not be known for a very long time. Each believer worships their own version of god and never tries to harmonize their view with other believers.I'd never try to prove that it exists. Faith, pure faith, is a reliable method for communion. People who need to prove it to themselves or others are shooting themself in the foot.
Your definition - which you invented so you can still call your god "omnipotent" even though you have been shown that that is an impossibility.
That's applying the correct burden of proof.
You don't. True knowledge is transferable. If you can't teach it to others, you don't have knowledge. You have faith.
When I listen to a number of pretend god-knowers and everyone describes god different and no-one can prove their version or show evidence for it, I don't learn anything. I still don't know what a god is. And everyone able to think critically is in the same situation.
The next time I have to seriously look into the claims of believers is when there is only one religion on earth with only one denomination and all the believers have a consensus about the nature of god. That will happen when the last-but-one believer dies or de-converts.
And that is the reason why god will not be known for a very long time. Each believer worships their own version of god and never tries to harmonize their view with other believers.
I'm glad that I could explain my position.
We even agree on the fact even though we don't come to the same conclusion.If God is infinite, it's impossible to know God. So, yeah, knowing God isn't going to happen.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.And the beauty of this is, that when you do need Him, you need only seek and He will be there.
If God is infinite, it's impossible to know God. So, yeah, knowing God isn't going to happen.